Sounds like you did it right, but just weren't ready for such face melting intensity 20mg, for me using the GVG, in one hit in and held for 20 secs is breakthrough territory, or near as dammit. The same dose over say, 3 tokes won't be nearly as intense or vivid. I would have to smoke closer to 30-35 in a bong for the same ride. In short, GVG ime is - in the words of Corpus Callosum "brutally efficient", which means you need to learn how to get there without ripping your face clean off

Sooo. My advice is: Harmalas! Yes! These are a fantastic tool and can help ease you in. What I and many other members tend to do is dose some harmalas 5-10 minutes before smoking. This 'primes' your nervous system. Then smoke a 'handshake dose' of, say, 10-15mg. This will provide a small trip, but most importantly get you in the zone. It will help quieten the mind and gets me in the mood for a larger dose. It also gives you a chance to pull out. If it's quite dark and unnerving, maybe it's best to lay down the pipe for another time, or if the vibees are good and you want to continue you can then smoke another 20mg, which will layer up with the DMT already in your system due to the harmalas, and the transition shouldn't be such a 'sledgehammer'.

At some point, if aiming for a breakthrough, you are going to have to deal with your terrified little ego screaming "Oh no! I've broken the Universe, I shouldn't be doing thiiiis!!!" Once you learn to control that, things get much easier. Of course rough rides will happen, but if you can maintain a calm, centered headspace you will manage it much, much better. Meditation is fantastic for this.

Hope that helps.

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Sakana thank you for the reply. I think if I did 50-60mg in a GVG Id honestly be stuck in hyperspace for 100 years lmao. But yes, thats my one thing that I try to keep telling myself is that I came back from it. It's very hard though in the moment to stay grounded because its so damn heavy and fast that I feel like I crossed a line and I wont be able to return haha. The other obvious thing I keep trying to tell myself is that it's doing what its supposed to, subconsciously it's like I'm expecting a belly rub while floating on a cloud for some reason, and its more like being kicked in the head by 100 horses. I do need to try to clear my head of my past experiences too because I feel like I get freaked because I enter expecting them, and then when I dont see them, that has a bit of bad effect on me.



Kahdaj, for me the body load does seem to vary greatly. It is always heavy, but my freakout times it was like I was being pushed down kind of forcefully as opposed to kind of just feeling heavyish on my better experiences. Hard to explain! I definitely need to get into meditating in a serious way. This is not something Im prepared to give up, it's done very many positive things for my life and helped me to see a lot about myself that was far beyond the line.

Entheogenerator it definitely was a shock overall. Just the sheer WHAM it delivered. The problem was I saw what it had done for me a few times, and kind of thought that was it and that I would have needed A LOT more to go further. And at the time, I still didnt know what further was or would feel like. I never never never saw coming what happened to me that one instance. Definitely scarred me a good deal haha. I definitely am considering some purification of my product, even if my spice isnt contaminated, it would do my mind good because it has been on my mind. One other thing Ive been thinking is that everything that I see open eye looks like synthetic and plastic because maybe IT IS actually contaminated and somethings trying to say 'check your spice, moron!' Just an idea, who knows!

User1911 I have thought about turning off my lights but then I cant really gauge how much vapor is filling my GVG, I prefer to see it. But, I actually considered getting a sleeping mask to put over my eyes so that after I put the pipe down I dont have to worry about really seeing my environment changing.


Jupiter, your experience sounds pretty wild. Personally, after a few of my good experiences after I come back down, I would go back to see if there is anything left in my GVG that could be vaporized, and usually there is so Ill hold my breath and close my eyes. I too often see a very dark place that feels like there are reptilian presences of some sort. I see scales, and feel like theres a hundred sharp piercing yellow eyes staring at me. My initial reaction is that theyre almost trying to tell me 'Hey pal look, you had your ride, respect it and come back next time." And Im like... welp see ya later! And I open my eyes and thats it.


Purges yes that is a perfect way to describe the efficiency of the GVG, its absolutely perfect at doing its job. I do have Syrian rue seeds, b. caapi leaves, and a good amount of blue lotus and some passion flower as well. I tried the blue lotus by itself the other night for the first time, only about 280mg over about 40 minutes. About 30 minutes in, I could feel as though the small amount had done a good deal of head clearing as well as kind of put me into a very light floaty feeling. So, next go with spice, I will preload myself with about 350mg of blue lotus and hope it smooths out the ride a bit! Im working on my meditation game a good deal too. My mind is very fast paced with lots of information running around it, it's very difficult for me to quiet it down.

Can I ask you, what exactly are you scared of? Pretty flight anxiety is common, but it comes to this, pack your bags and its flame on. Conquer this fear you have by taking the training wheels off. The low level doses don't do much but overwhelm and they are not what traveling is like at all. Take the leap brother just take the leap. No guts no glory...

thats actually a very good question that I havent even really thought of myself specifically. I suppose its just the intensity and kind of fearing that my body is saying dude you just poisoned yourself and now youre dying. Its the heaviness. I suppose the best way to really go about is jump in further. I'll have to give myself some time first with some more learning.

with no body there can be no heaviness

puff tuffer

Erase all other physhcadelic expierences away. Spice isn't like mushrooms, it doesn't tug on your emotions or play sick head games to make you think your dying like mushrooms. Its in no way a poison, its very spiritual and its almost like a soul detox. Its painless and goes away. And once your in dreamland you will think, don't send me back...then it sends you back. There's nothing to be afraid of. Respect it don't fear it. Its like you will take mushrooms, and intentionally poison yourself for a few hours going thru intense states of mind but won't take one long toke and visit the most beautiful thing you will ever see because of a onset that lasts about 8 seconds before closing your eyes ? Listen brother stop wasting spice on these little get your feet wet expierences, your holding yourself back for nothing.

Load your pipe and inhale as much as you can in one hit, and close your eyes that's all there is. You're not dying, don't bug out, that surge your talking about is just line in the sand, it separates those who do from those who don't. Right now you are one who doesn't. We have all and still do get anxiety its the toll that must be paid. Pay it...


I feel you on this and know where its coming from we all do. I just want you to expierencd it. When you're ready that is. I think you are. Dig deep man, you can do it.

Thats part of it too is no experience with any other substances, I dont even drink alcohol. Im not accustomed to anything but 'reality'. So being comfortable with the whole letting go thing is just so so so so foreign to me.

That explains it... Listen don't overwhelm yourself by adding cappi into the mix.. I have no idea what to say seeing as how u have no other altering expierences its def overwhelming.. Your taking a huge leap here.... Good luck. Because even with countless expierences spice was no match for them. It made everything prior look like a waste of time... Man good luck but just know it won't kill you. Grab a pair and go see the other side man. Its waiting for you..

All makes sense now right! hahah lotus I will try, caapi, not sure if Im there yet but to my understanding it is a bit of an intensifier whereas lotus is a smoother. And yes Im kind of glad I really dont have any experience with other stuff though, to me other stuff just wasnt very appealing. DMT is very appealing, and despite the fact that it is in its own realm, literally, nothing else would prepare for what dmt does. I understand that you can see geometry and patterns and what not with other substances, my one friend keeps telling me this trying to convince me to try other stuff. But I just feel like it wont be very fulfilling. I know eventually, sooner or later, the time will be right to accept it and move past the fear and I know it will be very rewarding.




Made me smile! Very true

Can you elaborate on this a little bit? What do you mean by "intentionally poison yourself"?