reply from the company;

"The minimum quantity that we can sell is 1 x 170kg. The current price for this would be £3.20/kg delivered. Should you wish to proceed, we would require payment on Proforma basis."

:S

i will soon be sampling pedro from heavenly products and torch (pricy!) from trance plants... ill let youall know how that goes..

i was wondering a few things...
for the limonene pulls i was thinking maybe some warmth may help like 90-100F?
i have been trying to figure a way to make this THP do hicky so far iv taken a half gallon jug cut the bottom off and stuffed cotton in the top caped it and punched holes in the cap... in any case its nice to pour off the limonene catchs all the cacti

now my latest efforts iv been after mixing the hydroxide/water/cacti (with warm ~90F water) ill let it sit for a few hours then spread it out on foil and dry in dehydrator then crumble to small balls (i intended to grind to powder but didnt for some reason) last extract i got ~1.5% i dunno if its better or worse should i keep trying it maybe powder it? or no need? i was thinking for my next try ill powder it somehow and put in the percolator then just keep pouring the limonene through? has anyone tried this?

i have noticed when using a magnetic stirrer alot of vinegar will stick to the sides of the glass i feel its a lose if only slight.. i havent noticed much of a difference using a magnetic stirrer as opposed to my favorite past time sepratory funnel swirling..


btw my first day in ~3 weeks without taking mescaline..... i just realized how bad i was being with it

You took mescaline 3 weeks straight? Did any tolerance develop?

slight but not what one would expect...
for quite some time 100-200 would produce amazing results
last week 200-300-400 was needed (in multipule doses)
had a strong experience in the third week on 260mg taken at once with a 150mg booster 6 hours later


i know this was a tad over kill an am takin a break for now

What percentage of tolerance would you say developed over 1 week of use? Compared to the initial being 100% active, would you say by the end of 1 week it was maybe 50% as potent?

With LSD the tolerance level is huge. It's like the first day is 100%, then the next day is maybe 30%, and the third day is like 10% as effective. Something like that.

SWIM has only tried mescaline two days in a row, if he remembers correctly. The second day the mescaline was at least 80-90% as potent as the first day. But he's not sure about that. He hasn't done it that often to really say for sure.

The only drug SWIM takes everyday is coffee.

id say at the end of one week it was 70%+

dry out cactus before pulling with limonene yay or nay?

SWIM thought there may be a benefit to doing this before actually attempting the tek, but now doesn't feel that it's not at all important. 69ron said that the freebase mescaline may oxidize if dried anyway.

For those lacking in a proper separatory funnel: Use a decent size IPA bottle (can use this for mixing as well), turn it upside-down with the solutions to be separated inside, ensure proper lighting to be able to distinguish between the layers, unscrew the lid partway, squeeze into a container, and tighten the lid when the top layer starts coming out.

This has explained much.

SWIM dried his completely and left it on the side for a week while he got round to it. His extract was only slightly noticeable at 500mg.

I guess this is why people are making hcl/acetate rather than freebase?

Also when it's dried there's nothing to stop loose bits of cactus lingering in your solvent.

SWIM left his wet and basified for over two weeks while waiting for his limonene to come in, thinking he'd have found better local sources of orange oil, but no dice. So far he's gotten 850mg and is waiting to see if he will get more.

The wet cactus stays together like magic sand. Is SWIY certain that he got everything out of the cactus? SWIY should try it in THP with a rag over top the material to keep it from floating.

I know for a fact that freebase mescaline forms mescaline carbonate when exposed to air. If drying it causes it to form mescaline carbonate, then it would probably be insoluble in d-limonene, and this would ruin the extraction process.

As far as oxidation goes, I don't know. It probably does oxidize. Most alkaloids do. After drying the freebase mescaline, you might end up with some mescaline N-Oxide and some mescaline carbonate…I don’t know…If you end up with mescaline N-Oxide I think you would be screwed also because it should be insoluble in d-limonene. You’d have a tough time getting it back to freebase mescaline.

Can lime basify mescaline carbonate? If so, all he would need to do is add water, but I assume not?

I just don't know if lime can freebase mescaline carbonate or not. Probably. If not you could always make mescaline acetate or mescaline HCl which would release carbon dioxide gas, and then you could freebase it for sure

well so far iv done two limonene pulls with 4 vinegar pulls each... (in THP with rag on top) from those two pulls i got .85% and .4% respectably i am doing one more limonene pull i suspect ~.2% but whooooo knoooowss..... thanks guys next run ill just leave the water in there... it may be worth mentioning that i dried it out in about 1 day and crumbled and pulled from it immediately... it made sense in my head and i had the material to give it a try... but now that you mention the conversion that takes place when the water dries i think ill abandon this practice and just go with what works...

now i must be off to work have a good day guys

I imagine it takes some time for mescaline carbonate to form. I don't know how long. I've seen people say it happens really fast, but they didn't give a time frame. "Really fast", is that 1 week? 1 day? 1 hour? 1 minute? 1 second? Who knows? It says this on Erowid and also doesn’t give a time frame. It says:



That's found here: http://www.erowid.org/ch...ine/mescaline_dose.shtml

Does anyone know if the aquarium product "Kalkwasser" is pure calcium hydroxide? SWIM can't find a definitive answer. It seems that calcium hydroxide is the primary component of kalkwasser(90%?) but SWIM is wondering if it might contain other undesirable materials. Thanks for any help.

"Seachem" brand kalkwasser is very pure Calcium hydroxide. Kent Marine brand is also supposed to be very good. In general, quality reef aquarium products are more pure than food products. Some reef aquarists will not use edible lime in their tanks. Any impurities present in a regular supplement will accumulate over time.

if some clutz got a few drops of limonene into his vinegar pulls is he right in thinking they'll evap off fine in a low fan oven before (or with) the vinegar.

getting those few drops of oil out will be a pain :-(

According to Seachems packaging info thier Kalk has 'unsurpassed purity' and is 'pure calcium hydroxide'.
It isn't cheap, but you get heaps in one jar. Enough to extract a kilogram of dried pedro if you follow 69ron's tek
I think SF Kalkwasser Powder is also a good choice, pharmaceutical grade I believe.