Is DMT really that ground breaking compared to other psychedelics?

After three years of DMT membership and various encounters with tryptamines like AMT, 4-PO-DMT (high dose) and 4-HO-MET and phenethylamines like Mescaline (high dose) and 2c-b and 2-ct-7, I still didn't experience DMT where this site is all about.

I have extracted it (years ago) and ready to use but still some of the experience reports put me off.

It did take me 15 years after my first mushroom trip to experience mescaline because of wild-west stories about it. I now regularly trip on high dose mescaline (and now and then still on high dose mushroom) and I think it's the most beautiful thing a man can experience. Yet because of the experience reports on DMT it still puts me off.

Is it really THAT different or is it like the wild west stories told about mescaline?

I really can't afford to have months of dealing with a aftermath of psychological breakdown which I sometimes read here. I had ' bad ' trips more than once especially on high dose shrooms and see them as the yin part of the experience.

As a reference I handle 4 gram dried cubensis and 700 mg mescaline trips quite well (although sometime confusing)..

I feel that I'm ready for it but rationally (based on user experience input) there's a break. I'm not that spiritual and I always try to explain things without relying too much on suggestion. I experienced full ego death on shrooms (oneness).

So is it really THAT different from other psychedelics or is it like the wild west stories told about mescaline (rubbing pink elephants naked for 3 days in a row )?

Should I start of with Pharma and try the smoke later on or vice-versa?

I think that the main difference is how quick the onset of the experience is. I can't say for sure that the climax of a [vaped] DMT trip is that much crazier than that of a heavy LSD trip, but with the latter you have a good 2 hours or so of easing into the psychedelic waters, and that seems to count for something. Indeed the very nature of the DMT experience is worlds apart from that of the LSD experience. If you expect the DMT experience to be similar to the mescaline experience, you may be very surprised, but you'll still get used to the experience, and in that sense DMT is not much different than any other drug. They are all very different, but who can say that one is always more intense than another?

That being said, if you've vaporized any other hallucinogens (like salvia, for example), then at least the rapid onset of the DMT experience will be somewhat familiar to you.

The only real way to know the difference between DMT and the other psychedelics that you have experience with is to try it. So, if you have DMT laying around, you might as well give it a go. And it's not an all-or-nothing deal. You can start by vaping a small dose and work up to something more heavy.

The full-on DMT experience truly is in a league of it's own. The onset hits so fast, and the trip is so other-worldly... it's really remarkable and confounding. For me, the distance between sobriety and an LSD trip, is the same distance from the LSD experience to the DMT experience. Completely different caliber.

However, there's nothing to really be afraid of. It can be incredibly intimidating, but it's nothing to really be feared.

Like hixidom said, you don't have to go all in the first time; work your way up at a comfortable pace. That's what I did, and I feel that it was an easier way to get there.

Extract, load, vape, leave body.

Come back, realize all you can say is "wtf", "holy shit", and "my mind is blown"

Yes it is different. Doses in the range between 15-20mg have very little if any aftermath. If there is, it's a keen understanding, feeling of being refreshed, and an addictive smile.

I think indeed the fast onset is what puts me off with smoking the freebase, Also when smoking cannabis I always have a couple of minutes of fast onset discomfort which doesn't exist with a nice prepared bang.
Starting with a small dose seems like a good start indeed. I don't have to " break-through" first time..
I think I'll set my goal to do DMT as a first psychedelic for 2014

A fast onset has the advantage, that you will have no time to adjust - or maladjust. Your mind will be blown within seconds and there won't be any room left for..well, anything. You might realize later that your expoerience was horrible, painful etc. But when it hits you, it hits. Changa slows that down somewhat - kinda neat if you want to set down your pipe before collapsing on your bed.

If you have experience with other psychedelics, just vape a smaller dose first. Chances are, you'll be fine!

You know what it is ? The people who tend to fear it rather than simply respect it tend to have the most difficulty with the experience, a trend I'm seeing confirmed quite often. I think you need to just give in to it. Easier said than done, but there is nothing tangible to be afraid of. I think reading experience reports helps give you an idea up to a certain point but can really put you off too depending on the reports.

I remember trying to convince a friend to try mushrooms with me. All they would do is ask questions and read reports and eventually decided it was too scary or demanding of them. This was someone quite experienced with vaporized DMT. I just could not convince them to mellow out and just enjoy it after that. In they end they missed out big time.

Just light some incense, dim the lights, sit or lay down, breathe, inhale and just enjoy the ride. It's a beautiful experience. If you can just let go of your fears and melt into it, you'll love it.

I think your 4g cubensis and 700mg mescaline missions are good training for the breakthrough experience.

Before trying DMT, I found that the descriptions of the experience had me thinking that the psychic effects would be kind of 'proportionate' to the visual aspects ie visuals and psychic destruction of say 1000+mcg LSD, which was a daunting prospect to even contemplate.

IME, the vaporised DMT experience is a bargain insofar as the head-space, whilst profound, lags behind what it offers visually. The key to it, as Orions mentioned, is being able to give in to it, in the face of the rapidity of the onset/transition to other places. The brevity of the trip is a distinct plus-point, IMO, provided one can let that first minute or 2 unfurl without offering any resistance and, with an inner stillness, just observe.

Just start off with little amounts like 5 or 10mg and slowly work up. Then you will get a feel for it just like swimming you don't want to just jump into the deepest part of the pool on your first trip.

Turning the wheel a little more.

Yes, it is very different, especially when you have a deep experience/breakthrough. It's like nothing else. Puts you in direct connection with the mystery we're all wrapped up in.

This molecule can facilitate things that you'd never believe possible. As others have said, the key is to just give in and not get hung up on any one part of the experience good/bad/whatever. Just dissolve into it, as Orion said.

Best of travels to you.

tat

and would acid become king? I have done the best LSD ever produced.. many years back... anyone remember? ..
[Orange sunshine]...[LSD 25 blotter]...[grey Owsley] [window pane]..[green pentagon] and various microdot acids..and can say that if one [can accesses the right doors].. durring an LSD trip a DMT like experiance can be acheived...
I have not yet compleatly broken through on DMT.. but still trying..

On my first ..[effective]..mimosa DMT experiance...I experianced a pre breakthrough that ..[because it caught me off guard and alone]...caused me ..[a near panic experiance]..as it propelled me with the sudden ..buzzing..then everything turning very bright with strange noises and fractals flying all over the place..

I tryed first to lay down and relax..but that didnt work..so i got up and opened the

curtains alowing sunshine in ..[trying to get rid of that ......

[[[cornered or closed in feeling]]]..and that didnt calm me either.. so then i went to

my front door anxiously wanting to go out in the street and freak out..

but quickly regained my control to a degree .. and closed the door and sat down on the couch till the experiance died down...[it was like an oncomming anxiety atack]

I cant say that experiance was at all nice..but I later realized that it was partly because of my inexperiance with DMt..

DMT was available durring the day many years back when i was a teen ..

[But with LSD being leagle at the time] .. Most chose an LSD experiance ..

But...Because of warnings of how intense DMT could be..at that time DMT never became popular or even talked about much...

Now a days [with LSD being almost compleatly banished from the USA].. DMT is now popular!

{I now wonder]... If good LSD was easily obtanable in the USA today...[leagle or not] ..
Would DMT loose popularity? and would acid become king again?

I see no reason to try to rate one entheogen as better then another, they are tools to me. As such some perform better in certain situations then others, the trick is finding the right tool for the job. Dmt can be very frightening if you don't prepare, like anything you want to do with a good outcome preparation is key, assessing your intention and selecting the right dose are of paramount importance to have a smooth voyage and safe landing.

Dmt is a powerful tool and isn't terribly forgiving so tread lightly is my advice. Used correctly though dmt appears to me to be nothing short of miraculous.

+1

Well put.

Thanks, I'm not in a hurry. It's been about 20 years since I first heard of DMT, so rushing up now, with all the information available on the net and your advises would make me fool








Thanks I have the feeling that I'll be fine too and become very happy with the new experience.



This answer is a reassuring thought for me.



When I first took shrooms, internet and therefor user reports were not accessible to me. I took 3.5 grams dried at once thinking that was a starter dose. I didn't know what to really expect and only had cannabis as a reference.
That day I still regard as on of the most profound experiences in my life. That trip had episodes of terror and pure exctasy. The weeks after it I felt as reborn and in very positive mind state.
I was not afraid when I took them but the intensity surprised me big time which caused the episodes of confusion (total lack of understanding of time as in not able to interpret the clock, loopy thought processes as in thinking the trip state was all I have been in my life). Later I pushed the dose up and came past the confusion state to experience a unreferenced mindstate.
In short I know I survive terror episodes mentally and even think they serve me a purpose afterwards. And I actually don't want to miss out on DMT




Thanks going to the slowly built up route.



Muchos gracias.



I think acid will always be around but the current market flooded with other RC blotters will make it harder to obtain real LSD, especially when you're not in the circles LSD resides in.



Based on this description I think it resembles psylocibin in a way. That too me is far less forgiving than mescaline is.


Thank you all for taking the time to reply!

You can listen to what Terrence McKenna says on the subject, he compares it with other psychs too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZAMKn2xr9E


I think it is much stronger than other psychs, but I suppose it can be looked at as jumping straight into the ultimate peak of a high dose LSD or mushrooms trip in about 10 seconds or less. If you think you can handle that, then you are good.

Strong entity contact often makes it at a higher level as well.

Only one way to find out, like jumping off of a cliff into deep water.

There is some good sense in starting low... but some disadvantages too..as ..
Terrence Mckenna explains the advantages of a large enough dose that there is no turing back....

Terrence stated that...

Many think the problem is taking too much DMT..

But the real problem lies in taking too little [DMT]..

Because if you take too little DMT ..[you can resist it]..and you can struggle with it...

Then the trip can turn into a real mess.. because your afraid of it ..and have some power to resist it...

You must take suficiently enough that there is ..[no escape!]

And that the transision from normal reality is as quick as posible because the come up can be a little scary..

Try meditating or singing as you come up to make the experiance smoother...

My thoughts....[[This may be good advice for many...but maybe not everyone....]]

In my opinion DMT is like being mad at your parents for a really long time and realizing that they never stopped loving you. You feel shame, guilt, fear, but in the end they reassure you that all of that is okay and that their love is unconditional and eternal.

Only it's not your parents, it's the source of everything.

It's gentle, more gentle than any other psychedelic I've ever taken, and frankly I think that's why I have so many problems with it. I grew up in a Christian background and I expect to be punished for my transgressions. Most psychedelics I find punishing, especially the body load and comedown. This I find easy to swallow as it fits with my Christian worldview. Unconditional love and forgiveness I find a lot harder to understand.

Anyway that's just my experience with it

*edit* I have no idea what I was going on about yesterday. Trying to integrate a trip and shouldn't have crapped up your thread.

Anyway DMT scares me too. I've smoked it a number of times and I think I've yet to hit a level 5 with it because I always chicken out. When I come down I'm almost always thankful for the experience but it still scares me.

Vaporizing DMT was my first experience with psychedelics, unless you count pot... anyway, my personal take on this is pretty simple. Nothing in this world can prepare you for what DMT has to offer. It is so bizarre, twisting, shredding, jaw dropping, and beautiful that there's nothing that can prepare you to be flung into hyperspace at the speed of light.

So, it's not a question of are you prepared. You'll never be. I'll never be. No one will be. It's simply a question of are you going or are you not going. Basically, it's a cut and dry yes or no.

Yes, you smoke it and go.

No, you don't smoke and stay.

These are just my personal feelings.

......DMT was available durring the day many years back when i was a teen ..

[But with LSD being leagle at the time] .. Most chose an LSD experiance ..

But...Because of warnings of how intense DMT could be..at that time DMT never became popular or even talked about much........

Im re quoting my post above that if ..GOOD PURE LSD.. were available today as it was back in the 60s and 70s ..Made by chemists like ..Nick Sand...Owsley.and others of the time..
I think that [many]..[but not all] who trip on DMT today would choose LSD as an alternate route..
DMT was available WAY back then.. but never became popular because because of its reputation as being too intense...
Im shure there were people back then who vaped or even injected DMT but they were a minority in the drug culture of my youth...
The LSD experiance does use normal reality as a model .but offers windows of perception where the experianced tripper can access a DMT like experiance..
A similar experiance can happen in high quality lucid dreams or OBEs..
Its true that DMT is in a class of its own!.. as ..[if one breaks through]..it can take one to places that doesnt look anything like normal reality .and thats part of the reason it lures me ..a desire to go farther and explore new worlds...

Hi stareway6!

I think some of what you say has to do with nostalgia.

Like when people say, "acid will never be as good as it used to be". My friend read an article (i'll ask him if he can send it to me) about scientists who fed some old acid heads the original LSD-25 that they had taken years ago. The subjects said the same thing... "not the same"... when actually, it was the exact same acid they had!

My point is - these experiences are extremely subjective. They probably still make really good acid these days... but since it is during a different time, it may not SEEM the same. I feel like nostalgia plays a part.

Don't want to derail this thread... Just some food for thought