Hi All,

Im extracting spice by means of q21q21´s tek. I have a question about this part:

First it´s said the bark should stay completely seperate and in the next step it´s said to stir the bark around with the naphta thoroughly.

So if i stir it thoroughly, i expect the naphta might not stay completely seperate from the bark. Will the naphta float back to the top ? Can someone explain please ?

You mix them together, but it will not blend together.
Like oil and water. They will always separate agian.

You want to mix the naptha with the bark solution, so the naptha can pull all the DMT from the bark. and then.
Yes. It will separate agian.

If you just let the naptha sit on the top, it will only pull the DMT from the top of the bark solution. You want it to pull from the entire thing.

The naptha will come to the top and have the DMT in it.

Hope this helps, once you get to this step and put it into action, you should understand better.

Yes thanks. I understand better now.

When i did that step, it seems like a lot of naphta stays in the bark/acid/water/lime mix. I find it much more difficult to remove the naphta layer, then when doing an stb tek.

Perhaps i didn´t really get the consistency right. I think it was maybe not thick enough, could that be possible ? It was thicker than tomato soup, but not quite as thick as pea soup.

I did the extraction after 24 hours. I will do another this evening.

After adding a lot more lime, the naphta appeared on the surface, so yet another lesson learned.

How has it turned out? Any pretty angels yet?

There is a growing stock of very white spice growing, so this week i wll try to make some crystals with that.

The other white angels are finished. I will post some pictures soon, i´ve been a little distracted because i have been testing my Changa Which has been very nice. Once again no breakthroughs, but the doses were pretty low (lower than 25mg) divided in three hits. But i had very amazing connections to my plants. They think i should take Changa in a forest rather than in my living room.

Is it changa or enhanced leaf?

Changa it is supposed to be. Ive first cooked 5 grams of Caapi leaf for 3 hours, removed the leaves and added 0.5gr of new leaf while boiling down. This resulted in about 1.5gr of 10X leaf, of which i added 0.5gr to acetone infused with 0.5gr of spice. I also added 1gr of calea and mullein to the acetone and let it all dry out really good.

I think i could add some more Caapi coz by the time the 3rd person got the pipe, I was allready tripping pretty good.

Back to the original subject:
I´ve completely switched from STB to this A/B tek. I seemed a little messy the first time, but now that i got the hang of it, its a much nicer and cleaner method i think. I don´t need any gloves or masks because of no lye. Also the removal of the naptha from the goo is much easier with this tek cause you can just pour it off and the goo doesn´t come with it. Plus the naphta stays much clearer and the final product is much cleaner.

Then again, if the yellow spice is what is wanted, this is not the right tek unless you go for the jimjam. Which i might try too.

The crystals completely fell apart upon removal from the glass so that didn´t go well.

they don't have to be whole crystals to be effective.

I´ve noticed that

In a few days i´m going to try to create the diamonds. I extracted about 3 grams with the lime tek so that should be sufficient. My yields with this tek are slightly lower than with stb. I got about 1.1 gram out of 100 grams of mimosa bark.

Also i´ve been trying to extract harmalin from red caapi vine but this is not working at all. After cooking the caapi vine powder 3x half an hour with water and vinegar, i seperate all the liquid and let it cool down. Then i base it by adding 5gr of lye dissolved in 50ml of water, but this doesn´t do anything to the soup, it just stays sort of muddy cloudy. Nothing precipetates .. and i´m pretty sure i did everything according to tek. I now think it is maybe not Caapi bark as the cold tek with this bark also resulted in 0.

So i´ll go back to 10x-ing caapi leaves for my changa.

You gotta be weary of buyin random plant parts cuz they may not be real. Stick with what you do know works. I don't know anything about harmala extracts.

So only pure spice for you ?

Do you or SWIY use the GVG ? I´ve been considering getting one as i think i am burning my spice every time. I´m still working on my technique.

No. I was thinking about getting a gvg myself, but I've mastered smoking out of a regular pipe so I don't really have a need for it. And yea, I just smoke pure. I don't see the need for maoi.

Thats interesting. A lot of people here seem to say that Changa is THE way to go with spice.

So when you light your pipe, does the flame touch the spice at all ? Or does it stay above it ?

And do you take setting into account when going for a ride ? Often i get the feeling that i want to try a journey but i don´t feel like first preparing everything in the house (incense, candles, cleaning up, music, meditation), so i don´t do it and rather continue with some extraction I want to go outside to try it, but it´s a little too cold here nowadays.

I hope it's not an earth-shattering realisation that different people like different things!

You yourself ought to experiment with different methods, then stick to what works best for you. There are no hard and fast rules.

Dammit, i was just getting used to the idea that we are all one .. Now i have to rethink everyting through again

You are right. I will try and experiment.

Indeed many people do say changa is the way to go, but personally I achieve my desired level and beyond from a simple pipe. I first put my herb(gynostemma) in my pipe, then take an amount of spice and put on top. I lightly fan the flame over the top til the spice melts into it. Then, when I'm ready to actually smoke I. Hold the flame millimeters from the bowl and suck in enough to heat the spice without the flame ever actually going into the herb. It takes a lot of practice, but I've been practicing for a while.. lol. And actually, since my flame never touches the herb, I never really have to add more herb, just more spice. I've had the same herb in there for the past 20 sessions without any depreciation.

Set and setting are usually the same for me. Lights off, in my bed with a blanket, some light music playing. Lately I've been listening to Blackmill. That's how I usually do it. I have tried other settings, such as in a forest, and with other people, but its not as beneficial to me in those settings as there are things that detract from the experience. Like in the forest I had to hassle with bugs and getting comfortable. When I'm with others I don't feel I can fully immerse myself into the experience because I have to make sure the others are smoking correctly and have enough in the bowl to smoke, and whatever else. Not to mention that I would be the last one to hit it so while I'm peaking, other people are coming back to reality and trying to talk and stuff. I find being alone in the dark and in my cozy bed to be the best.

I while try the same, allthough i might order a gvg anyways. Just to show i'm taking this seriously Also it seems less spice is needed as other devices. I read stories of 28mg being sufficient for deep travels.

Thanks for the tips !

About the setting. I once emptied the machine (some crystals were left from previous session) in my bed (haha, after reading this for the second time, this sounds wrong. I meant to say: I vaped the crystals while i was in my bed) and that was nice. Also not a lot of distraction there, which there is in my livingroom. The last time i smoked spice i was in my livingroom and for some reason all the mice in the entire appartment building had decided to congregate near me exactly at the moment i was coming back, which then happened much quicker. Luckily the mice are not allowed to enter my bedroom, so there i should be safe

I also did 3 sessions with others and this was totally distracting me. It was interesting nonetheless, but no time for deep travels. I also prefer aloness, but snce i'm new to this i'm also a little anxious to do it alone and would rather have a sitter, which will then distract me etc etc. But i see it as an exploration and adventure. To be able to explore the frontiers of hyperspace is a priviledge in a way, so i'm not in any rush. The fact that i'm now burning my spice is in a way synchronicity since i'm not ready to go where i'm not ready for.

Btw. I read a post of yours somewhere about 'Gods Debris', so i've found a pdf and am reading it now. Another good tip

Would Mullein work as well ?