Hi all,

Just a quick word, yes, I searched. And havent been able to find the specifics Im looking for.

So I just ordered some blue lotus, b.caapi leaves, and passion flower.I originally ordered just passion flower but then read that it is rather weak on the MAOI side, so I ordered up the caapi leaves.

Say SWIM has 650mg of spice and wishes to infuse 650mg of b.caapi leaves (1:1 ratio).

Lets step aside a second and assume that if one were to vaporize just the freebase, that 20mg is the proper dose.

Now, when it comes time to vaporizing the changa, does one need to vaporize 20mg of changa to take in 20mg of DMT? Or does one need to load 40mg of changa to consume 20mg of DMT?

I believe the answer to be the latter, that you need to load up 40mg worth of changa to consume 20mg.


Once the leafs are infused, are they supposed to be chopped up super fine like into a powder almost?? Pardon my noobery lol.

You are correct. With a 1:1 ratio of dmt:herb, the amount of dmt present in X amount of changa will always be .5X.

You can chop your changa up. Personally I don't make it a powder, more of a minced/finely chopped herbal blend.

Gotcha, thanks for the reply.


Let me ask another silly question. Lets say we have two caapi leafs that are identical in surface area and both weigh 20mg each (40mg total of leaf). Then we take 40mg of spice and dissolve it and then throw in the 2 identical leafs to be infused.

It is technically impossible to guarantee that each leaf got an even distribution of spice, correct? Like what if one 20mg leaf got 30mg worth and the other 20mg leaf only took 10mg of spice?

This is why it helps to chop it up very fine though, yes? To kind of re-average everything out?

Am I being over-analytical with that? Hahah

Bump for some further assistance please


Also, does any one have any advice for changa in a GVG?

Well you wouldnt want to do a mix that low. I tried it and it works but there is loss.

If your speaking metaphorically, generally you chop it up and while it is soaking you mix it every once in awhile to help ensure that its as even a mix as possible.



Some say it works ok, some say it doesnt work very well. I recommend a pipe, bubbler, or best... a bong.

Gotcha thank you! Yes it certainly wouldnt just be 2 leafs haha itd be a proper amount.

I didn't want to make another thread, but have a noob changa question as well. I just got my caapi leaves and IPA in the mail and have roughly 300mg of spice. I have the material to extract, but unfortunately don't feel comfortable doing so at the moment with my small living quarters and two year old daughter who gets into everything imaginable.




Would 300mg dmt/leaf material be sufficient for a changa blend?




Or should i just wait until i'm able to extract more spice and go the pharma route?



sorry for hijacking your thread, humbletraveler

No worries! I was going to ask also if it WAS in fact ok to do this with Caapi leaves or if it is supposed to be bark of the vine. Bark of the vine doesnt seem to make much sense but I see a lot of talk about caapi vine and not a lot about caapi leaves. My understanding is that vine is meant for ayhuasca.

However, in answer to your question, based off previous reading, I usually see people do their infusion with over 1g of spice. Im sure though it would be doable with that amount given a small enough dish so as not to waste any room for the leaf.

Inaniel, that would work fine. Just use a shot glass and whatever solvent you use, barely enough to submerge the material.

As far as I know the vine is best for aya and wouldn't work for changa.

Much appreciated!

In addition to this question, is it plausible to vape/smoke some Caapi or blue lotus leaves first for the MAOI effect, and then blast off with spice after?

Yes. A few weeks ago I tried smoking several bowls of caapi leaf 10 minutes prior to vaping my spice and it worked better than my 1:1 changa.

Very awesome! How long do the effects of the MAOI last? There are no dietary restrictions like ayahuasca tea when smoking an maoi, correcct?? Also, if say 15 to 20mg of spice was to be vaped how much Caapi or Blue Lotus would one need to smoke?

And also, will the GVG be okay for vaping caapi or lotus leaf? I thought I read somewhere previously that it doesnt do a very good job and a bowl would be better, but I dont see how the GVG could be bad since its 'techncially' a tobacco pipe.

^ I smoked (ie. combusted) around 235mg of plain caapi leaf, which left me in a slightly dreamy state, then vaped around 22mg of freebase. The duration of the trip was about double the normal time (with changa - about 12 minutes compared to my usual 6-7 minutes) and the afterglow lasted around 45 minutes. The only dietary restriction I follow for these things is to avoid alcohol that day (although I don't eat a lot of cheese, tofu etc anyway). In hindsight, I could have smoked more caapi (or even vaped the caapi), prior to the DMT - next time I try this I'll aim for 350mg+ of caapi.

I regularly use my CVG for vaping changa (I prefer vaping changa versus combusting it), so can't see why a GVG would be any different. For smoking the caapi I also use the CVG, but simply remove the ceramic top piece and remove a few of the screens so that it effectively is a straight tobacco pipe.

Good luck and happy travels!

Thank you so much for the info! That was exactly what I was looking for.