(the day after my first ever smoalking experience, sub-breakthrough but still strong)

Diet: Very clean for 24h prior, fasted for 8h prior.

T: 50g caapi...
T+30m: 40mg DMT freebase 30 mins later (dissolved in 1 shot glass of fresh orange juice)

Both products known-good potency. Wife sitting nearby since I was concered about possibly 'breaking through' and vomiting while being 'gone' (my DMT experience is limited to one smoalk, so I be cautious).

T+50m: Balance all over the place, nausea on the increase.

T+1h: The first layer of altered state slams in. Everything feels extremely strange indeed, although at the same time it is exactly the same. No OEVs/CEVs at ALL, I'm just obviously tripping quite hard.

T+1h5m: Another deeper layer of trippiness hits, but still no OEVs or CEVs. Heart feels uncomfortable. Take pulse but am tripping too hard to make an accurate assessment. My notes say it was pumping hard, and a bit faster than usual, with possible beat anomalies. But who knows really.

T+1h15m: 10 minute purge. I hoped that'd be the last of the nausea and abnormal heart rate (since it has been so during past Aya brews), but not so.

T+1h15m: Third and final layer of trippiness hits, which was pretty deep. No visuals of any kind though.

The next 3 hours or so were spent trying to maintain a basic level of body and mind comfort, in the face of relentless unpleasantness. I was alternating between freezing cold and on-fire hot (indoor temp 22 degrees C). When I felt steaming hot and was sweating, my wife felt me a declared me to be freezing cold.

Also my heart felt decidedly strange, and I have unusual sensations there even the day after.

The above post doesn't quite convey how uncomfortable this experience was for the body and mind. It was like having quite a bad fever and quite deeply tripping at the same time, but with no distractions (visuals).

Mind was quite concerned for most of this experience. I wondered whether I was going to make it at some points. The discomfort didn't seem to be getting better and it was seemingly interminable. The only possible silver lining here was that physical death was contemplated.

Basically it felt quite exhausting even to remain calm and at a proper temperature, in a position that felt stable. Body was in trouble and mind was going nuts. Thankfully I can ignore my mind, so it didn't compound the issue with panic.

I had hoped that Caapi + oral freebase would be a good route to break through with, since by preference I wouldn't smoke anything. But I am now understandably very wary indeed of repeating this method.

However, I know others have reported that they find this method to be excellent and don't bother brewing chakruna/chaliponga any more!

Today I am OK apart from the weird sensations in the heart area. I even went to parent-child gymnastics this morning after 3.5hrs sleep (where the exertions on the parent are non-insignificant).

I'd be very interested in any opinions/comments at all about this experience. Thanks very much in advance!

To get anything near a breakthrough experience with oral dmt i need at least 150mg of dmt or more.

Even then its very different from breaking through on vaporised dmt or changa.


I wouldnt get stuck in the idea of breakong through bit try instead to learn what you can from all levels of the experience.

Hey SHrootroll, thanks.

There was no real intent to break through with caapi + oral DMT, but I didn't want a 'wishy washy' experience either, so I chose a dose that in my view was likely to be 'quite strong' based on the following posts.

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As it was I felt quite relieved I didn't do more than 40mg, since the unpleasantness may have been magnified or extended.

Thanks for the warning about getting hung up on breakthroughs. I don't think I detect any danger of getting 'hung up' on that (if you are seeing evidence in any posts of mine can you cite them?).

It looks like you learned a lot since you posted this.

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