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#1 Posted : 11/10/2013 10:08:32 PM
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I've only broken through 3 times, all in this week, and the profundity and beauty of the trips has been amazing, but every time I come back I know that I am immediately missing big parts of it from my memory.

Remembering the studies done on sunifiram, it was found highly potent at completely neutralising the amnesic effects of barbiturates, could it have the same effect on DMT amnesia? (I forgot about it and stopped taking it a few weeks back so it would have had no effect on my trips)

And if it does, is the information overload going to mess with the smoker's psyche; maybe the brain is shutting out those memories for a reason?

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#2 Posted : 11/10/2013 10:34:14 PM

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I really doubt it will help much if at all, but who knows. I don't really see the amnesic effects of dmt as being similar to that of barbiturates.

To me the experience is just so beyond our normal left-brain dominated world that it is impossible to bring it all back into that narrow mode of consciousness. The information is multi-dimensional and synesthesiac in nature, so naturally much is lost when our linear noggins return to the helm. Its like trying to download the codes of the universe into your laptop. Although that said, with practice it can get much easier to remember things.



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#3 Posted : 11/10/2013 10:41:23 PM
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Ah yeah I wasn't comparing them but barbituates are some of the most amensia inducing drugs possible.

I did think something similar to what you're saying; too much intricate information which our brains aren't eloquent enough to package up into easily accessible memories.
 
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#4 Posted : 11/10/2013 11:25:29 PM

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My view on memory and DMT is a bit extensive, so I'll quote myself from someone else's thread.

Global wrote:
adam wrote:


Global do you have any tricks for remembering your experiences with such detail? Even five minutes later I have trouble remembering what just happened, but you seem to have amazing recall.



practice, practice, practice (i.e. journey a lot) Laughing

The kinds of experiences I described above happen with a regular predictability. Things certainly don't go like that every time, but then again this thread was talking about what one typically finds at a certain dosage range. The things I've described have happened to me numerous times, so it's given me a handful of opportunities to witness the same phenomena with which I become increasingly familiar. I've always been the kind of guy all my life who has gone to class and paid attention and I can still recall lessons and pertinent details with ease all the way from primary school all the way through college. I have a sort of similar approach with the DMT experience. I "show up for class" and pay close attention. A lot of the times it might be necessary to apply something you've learned a couple years ago in an old DMT experience to the current DMT to make the most sense out of it.

Another thing that goes in line with this concept of journeying a lot is about the way regular memory typically works. That is to say that memory tends to be based more on expectations than what one actually perceived. Since most of the times we're trying to access memories from consensual reality, and we're quite familiar with consensual reality, and have pretty firm expectations of how things should or could go, it is quite easy to build memories based on numerous past experiences. The example I like best is that of going to the grocery store. Right now, try to picture the last time you went to your local grocery store. Imagine walking in and looking around the aisles and seeing the items on the shelf. Chances are if you're able to conjure memories of items on the shelves, it has more to do with your expectations of certain foods even in certain sections perhaps, but you're not really remembering so much of what you actually perceived when you were there.

The thing with hyperspace is that we tend to be quite limited in our experiences there (certainly in comparison to our experiences in consensual reality) and as a result we have less expectations of what happens there. With few verbal labels to affix to the various stimuli from there combined with these low expectations, it becomes quite difficult to maintain much of a memory at all of what goes on there. As you travel more and more, you will experience some phenomena that remains the same/similar from certain experiences to others and this helps to build expectations of the kinds of goings-on there which helps to solidify memories. So even in these cases you'd still be building memories more highly out of expectations than actual experience where the most recallable ones are those that have either repeated a number of times, those that have some worded labels to go along with some of the imagery, and some of those that simply leave such an incredible emotional impact that the re-experiencing of similar emotion is enough to have some memories come flooding back.

On that note, even though I don't journey much with music anymore, I had found in the past that listening to music could actually help improve memory of the hyperspace experience, and here's how: Our memories work best with things for which we have verbal labels since we tend to be such verbal beings, but memories are also easily accessed when we have any number of "imprintable" stimuli to go along with them, especially in the absence of words. Emotions are also good at imprinting these memories and getting paired up with them, but music works really well too. So if you're listening to a song and you're experiencing something visual for which you have no words for, if instead you listen back to the same song, and maybe you remember, "oh well at this part of the song, I remember seeing this picture" then that can prevent it from sneaking off into the obscurities of forgottenhood. It's sort of like the difference between browsing through all the files on a computer with massive memory by route as opposed to doing a search for a keyword that easily helps retrieve the file.

Bottom line is the more you journey, the easier the memories will come. Also write about your experiences as best you can. Even if they're not elaborate at first, or you don't like the writing style, practice always helps at improving, and if it's memory you're looking to increase, it helps to start trying to merge the realms of the unwordable with the wordable as much as you can. You don't even have to post them if you don't want to, and if you find it starts interfering with things, you can always stop.
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#5 Posted : 11/11/2013 12:54:36 AM

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Excellent post global!



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#6 Posted : 11/11/2013 12:57:48 AM

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Take ginko biloba everyday. It helps memory and also is a very light maoi so that may be good news if you use ayahuasca. Practice recalling your dreams by writing them down right after waking might also help.
 
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#7 Posted : 11/11/2013 4:26:47 AM
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Receptor 5HT-6 and 5HT-7 are important in memory and dmt play with them.

Find anything that block 5ht6 and i think you'll be able to remember most of it.

 
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#8 Posted : 11/11/2013 8:04:01 AM

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could it also be because the "I" as the recorder, is not so much there, or is completely absent?

"only a closed mind is certain"
 
 
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