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everythingandnone
#1 Posted : 11/8/2013 3:05:46 PM

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I'm new here and I'm hoping my question is welcome here on the nexus.. I'm a freshman in community college and seek a bachelors in chemistry. Is a bachelors in chemistry going to teach me how to extract DMT? Would I know how to make it 99% pure? By the way I don't know high school chemistry, I have ADD (though really I think its just my temperament) and I'm going to have to retake a basic math preparatory class next semester, so I'm not good at math but anything is possible right?

 

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#2 Posted : 11/8/2013 3:21:24 PM

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everythingandnone wrote:
Is a bachelors in chemistry going to teach me how to extract DMT?



no.
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#3 Posted : 11/8/2013 3:23:43 PM
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Consider transferring to a school with a dedicated tryptamine extraction program. If you are lucky some of your credits may transfer.
 
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#4 Posted : 11/8/2013 3:26:02 PM

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Welcome to the nexus, everythingandnone Smile

My 1st MHRB extraction attempt was successful, after I had been a lurker here for a long time. Plenty members here without college educations or chemistry majors can extract DMT (but it can't hurt to have prior knowledge)- the main thing (for a noob like me) is paying close attention to what the procedure has written; I would use all glass; Phthalates: Warning to those using plastic containers/instruments in extractions and using plastic for extraction?.

Take a look around the Wiki and FAQ. (Extraction Teks are listed in the Wiki)
 
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#5 Posted : 11/8/2013 3:34:44 PM

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the finest extractions I've seen here were done by non-chem majors.

the degree has nothing to do with it. the ability to follow a procedure, and experiment, is more pertinent to successful extractions; experience.
A Ph.D. in chemistry could babble about theory until the cows come home, but unless that person has tried the experiment, the opinion is worth little more than that piece of paper.
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#6 Posted : 11/8/2013 7:54:55 PM

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#7 Posted : 11/8/2013 8:49:53 PM

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The process and understanding of an alkaloidal extraction is fairly basic. Pun intended. Lol
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#8 Posted : 11/8/2013 8:57:23 PM

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Just having experience in the culinary arts got me through extractions.

I think I read on this forum once "If you can bake a cake, you can do an extraction"
 
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#9 Posted : 11/8/2013 9:13:27 PM
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Quote:
"If you can bake a cake, you can do an extraction"


While this may be true, I really think it is important that people who choose to extract at least have a rudimentary understanding of what each step they perform is accomplishing.

People who simply want to "follow a recipe" without any understanding at all of what is going on are much more likely to mess something up, possibly causing themselves bodily harm or leading them to being caught by LEO and bringing more bad press upon the entheogenic community.

That is why I like the idea of the DMT-Nexus as an Enthogenic University. I believe it is in our best interests as a community to help teach people rather than just giving them all the answers. Also, each person we teach is another person who can spread the metaphorical "entheogenic gospel" to those around them.

 
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#10 Posted : 11/8/2013 9:16:32 PM

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alert wrote:
Quote:
"If you can bake a cake, you can do an extraction"


While this may be true, I really think it is important that people who choose to extract at least have a rudimentary understanding of what each step they perform is accomplishing.

People who simply want to "follow a recipe" without any understanding at all of what is going on are much more likely to mess something up, possibly causing themselves bodily harm or leading them to being caught by LEO and bringing more bad press upon the entheogenic community.

I agree, I may have over-simplified it a bit there.

Perhaps I should have said "If you can bake a cake from scratch..." Smile

A basic understanding of the chemistry involved is essential.
 
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#11 Posted : 11/8/2013 11:48:57 PM

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As with anything, patience, practice, talent and diligence will get you there. I think reading most/all teks and related discussions on here would give you a comprehensive extraction knowledge (including the science) to rival that of any professional chemist (as far as DMT/Harmala extractions are concerned). There are teks here (and the web) that contain a good bit of information on the scientific side of things - these will give you greater flexibility in assessing what you are doing and what you could be doing better.

Keep at it and be receptive to knowledge.
Best of luck,

The Chairman

P.S. As far as purity is concerned - use solvents that don't pull full-range and mainly recrystalize, recrystalize and recrystalize again until you have a product you'd feel comfortable injecting into your bloodstream (Please don't! Study med school and chemistry before thinking of attempting such a risky risky maneuver. Also why inject infections when you can drink some tea or vape some crystal. If you really wanna be creative, read up on the natives who did aya enemas.)
In my country, the legal go-to psychoactive substance is ethanol. Sometimes my friends get wasted and tell the craziest stories about how they go out at night to harvest strange grasses in the light of the full moon. They claim to meet elves, white light and jaguars. These are their stories.

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#12 Posted : 11/9/2013 12:12:27 AM



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Most of the pictures of clear crystals on this site were extracted by people who hadn't taken a chemistry class in their life. Read some of the teks and you'll see that the reason for this becomes immediately apparent :]

I don't even know how to bake a cake XP



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#13 Posted : 11/9/2013 12:23:14 AM

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You WOULD need a degree or at least hours upon hours of self teaching to "synthesize" dmt but not to extract what nature has already done.
It feels familiar , for good reason.
 
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#14 Posted : 11/9/2013 12:43:26 AM

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Take two years of chemistry and you'll have most of the basic skill sets down to enter the world as a competent lab tech. A deeper understanding matures over time. But if you are good with following instructions and problem solving you can go quite far.
 
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#15 Posted : 11/9/2013 12:58:03 AM

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I never really had chemistry lessons. and I did many successful high purity extractions and am now decently experienced in analytical chemistry using thin layer chromatography and interpreting GC-MS spectra results Smile

All it took was motivation and reading the nexus and related links for some time.

If only they had taught drug chemistry in school .... Very happy
 
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#16 Posted : 11/9/2013 12:58:47 AM

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I wrote my tek at a time when I had never set foot in a chemistry class. With all of the teks and tools available for purification out there anyone can extract. If you can follow a guide you can make DMT.
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#17 Posted : 11/9/2013 4:27:15 AM

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Endlessness, you've never been colleged?
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#18 Posted : 11/9/2013 6:48:03 AM

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endlessness wrote:
I never really had chemistry lessons. and I did many successful high purity extractions and am now decently experienced in analytical chemistry using thin layer chromatography and interpreting GC-MS spectra results Smile

All it took was motivation and reading the nexus and related links for some time.

If only they had taught drug chemistry in school .... Very happy



who taught you? or how did you learn? thin layer chromatography would be so useful for finding
sources near home.
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#19 Posted : 11/9/2013 6:57:36 AM

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autodidacticism.

You don't need a degree to learn TLC, or anything, for that matter.
Just read, and practice.
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#20 Posted : 11/9/2013 12:30:07 PM

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I went to university for an unrelated subject, educational psychology, no chemistry lessons there.

As benz said, I learned TLC by reading about it, and then luckily I had the change to do some volunteer work in an organization that did that, so I was able to get a better idea of the whole thing there.

TLC is most definitely very relevant and can be very useful for basically every member of this forum. If anybody is interested and can`t understand something or want tips or whatever, feel free to PM me about it.
 
 
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