You didn't really do anything wrong. Just that the naptha is too cold to efficiently grab any more alkaloids. The naptha just needs warmed before its added back. If you are trying to warm your naptha do NOT use the same glass that was in the freeze because it will shatter.

Does this look like 'crude harmine and harmaline freebase'? (as described in step 9 of this tek: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/EASY_Harmaloid_Freebase_TEK)

I've seen other pictures where it's a beige colour...

Thanks again Du57mi73,

I wiil use a seperate container to warm up the naphta.

Soon i will be receiving another kilo of mimosa so i can work on perfecting my technique. I could make a post with lots of picures of the process. Would that be interesting to this forum ? I need to get myself promoted.

Yesterday i received a message from friends who i had given some spice. One of their friends had a breakthrough on it. So that made me really happy, and makes me want to share more !

Quick question about an unexpected reaction.. My friend has been doing sets of acetone pulls on 5:4 ACRB:sodium carbonate mixtures and with his last 2 runs when he went to add the fumaric acid there was very little/no precipitation. Now being a cheap bastard he has been saving and combining the apparent waste acetone in a large jar. Now when he FINALLY decided that it was just garbage bark and to toss the acetone, he dumped in a aboit 5mL of water that was almost saturated with the carbonate and all of a sudden there was a HUGE cloud of precipitates now in the solution.

Now my friend needs to know if it is anything good or just garbage. Keep in mind this acetone did have have some fumaric acid in it, but nowhere near saturation. The precipitates are in 3 different forms: One is obviously clumps of carbonate stuck to the glass, the second seems to be fumaric acid (bleach white, crystalline structure that is too fine and perfect for crude DMT) and the third was a HUGE cloud that looked like alkaloids dropping out with some visible carbonate pieces stuck amongst the suslension.

So do the resident geniuses have any clue what may be in the huge fluffy cloud? Goodies? Garbage? Please say goodies so he knows his final large run from earlier wasn't a waste of time.

UPDATE: He evaporated to a very light beige-ish white powder that is insoluble in acetone but clearly two carbonate and apparently a fumarate of some sort, cleaning and testing will begin tomorrow followed by results.

Still curious as to what actually happened to cause the suspected alkaloids to crash of solution though! It was definitely the first time that either of us has seen such a crazy reaction happen before.

Anyone? Does the stuff in my coffee filter look like crude harmine/harmline extract? Am I in the wrong thread?

We LOVE pics here. glad to hear you're spreading the wisdom of spice. Its a wonderful feeling to know you have helped others achieve such great experiences.

@mcguyver- I don't think this is the right thread for those questions. Post a new thread asking about your process with pics included. Someone will help you.

@JBMHR- It sounds like the carb and the acid reacted to create the cloud. The acetone should have precipitated any freebase he had when you added the fumaric acid. I don't know why you added soda carb water and not just clean water to grab all of the spices that have been fumarated. It is counter productive to add a basic water mixture with your FASA. Because now you don't know if its freebased or salted. Nor do you know what you have in your evaporate. My suggestion is to take your collected evaporate(whatever was leftover from when you evaporated), mix it into a soda carb paste(or simple lye/water if you have that), do a clean pull with your solvent, and then resalt. This will ensure your process is done correctly.

Does anyone have experience using an A/B for regular Acacia Confusa Trunk bark, ie not root bark?

I used Cyb's Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek (up to step 10) on this stuff and I received some active goo.
Crystals form in freeze precipitate but then melt leaving this waxy residue that can be scraped up.

Wondering if I should use that same Tek with 20% more powdered bark?
Maybe that will help saturate the product to keep once container
is brought out of the freezer to evap.

There is definitely spice in there maybe it is just too little to even bother
with an extraction in the trunk bark. Any guesses?


EDIT: Nevermind, after days and hours upon hours of reading in the Nexus I finally found this thread: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=39030 and it's good.

Yup. that will work perfect for acrb.

He added the water to the acetone because he was about to scrap it all and then he saw the huge cloud form and was curious as to what happened because he thought there was no alkaloids in the acetone, NOT to clean anything in the solution. It was meant to be garbage before the reaction.

He already went ahead and dried, based and cleaned the resulting mixture and was left with excess carbonate that he physically separated before said cleaning. He actually ended up with about 50mg of a golden amber goo that upon trial of ~5mg is DEFINITELY active.

As a note, he had dropped ~400mg of fumaric a while before carb solution in an attempt to force a crashing out to no avail. Also, the majority of excess carbonate reacted with that acid immediately upon mixing and formed precipitates the stuck to the glass rather than form in the cloud. It seemed to be fumarate salts with tiny carbonate crystals visibly attached while in solution and his results show that to have been the case.

He is definitely glad he did this because he got absolutely NOTHING active from the original extraction, much to his frustration. He plans to stick with bufo due to amazing yields, ease of extraction and awesome effects. Too much of a pain in the ass for an inconsistent and poor result.

Seems like it's still unclear what you have done when, why and with how much of what. Why do you keep asking when you don't take advise ? The famous method you spoke about somewhere earlier, the Le Junk one with Ammonia; could you link this please ?

Peace

He did a 5:4 ACRB:sodium carb mixture, wetted and beat into a paste like yopo, let dry and repeated 3 times until it was a fine powder. 3 acetone pulls were done and filtered before he added FASA to precipitate. He got a very small yield for.the amount of bark (0.5%) but kept the acetone in a jar on the side.

He had a mixture of water saturated with sodium carb he was using to purify that small yield and AFTER he was finished with it he decided to dump it into the then thought to be worthless acetone which caused the massive precipitation of alkaloids that didn't fall out when the FASA was added.

He saved the cloudy precipitate, dried and purified and was left with an actually active product.
I don't see where he failed to take advice since he purified like was suggested above before he even read it and the water/carbonate was dumped in to the acetone in preparation for disposal, not purposefully. Am I really not being clear here? I though I typed up his process pretty thoroughly and even included additional, possibly useful.information related to the question.

Let me state it again simply: WHY did the alkaloids fail to precipitate when the FASA was added yet crashed out when water/carbonate was poured in? He obviously figured out that its active already.

As for Le Junk's method, look up his name and cocaine purification at bluelight and you'll find it easy enough. I figure cocaine and DMT are both alkaloids pulled from some similar plants with similar processes and the purification should probably work just as well for freebasing and purification, possibly even better if the junk gathers up in the same manner.

Maybe not enough fumarate so it created sodium fumarate and am I right in saying you added saturated acetone to more acetone? It wont have been saturated anymore..
The added sodium carbonate into the used acetone could have had the effect of freebasing some of the dmt therefore making it soluble in acetone again unless it was a lot of water?
You need to give volumes used. Also, calm down your last but one paragraph was a bit condescending.

Didn't mean to be condescending, I've just tyoed up the process he used I think 3 times in detail just so people can tell me that they don't understand why he did what or that they didn't understand what his question was when both were stated clearly.

And I understand that adding FASA to acetone won't make it more concentrated, it is to precipitate the alkaloids. The alkaloids didn't freebase with the addition of the carbonate though, they formed 3 separate and distinct groups. The excess fumaric acid dumped directly into the acetone (as stated in previous post) formed some sort of rock that stuck to the glass. Most of the excess carbonate precipitated immediately and attached to the glass as well. The Alkaloids precipitated and formed a giant cloud which trapped the remaining carbonate in clumps with the fumarates.

My friend is confused as to why a basic solution containing water caused fumarate salts to precipitate and form where an acidic FASA solution wouldn't. Seems kind of paradoxical and is the only question left since he has already determined what the precipitate was and that it is indeed active.

It does seem paradoxical yeah and beyond me maybe someone with advanced knowledge can answer it as FASA is a multiple proven method.

Hello, kind travellers

I will be making my first extraction attempt using Cyb's hybrid Salt Tek very soon

I've read the document and the associated threads quite a few times, but i still have a few things that are not fully clear to me, so just want to ask and confirm if im wrong

Ill be doing a 50 gr of powdered MHRB, as proposed in the tek, so as if i mess things up, less material will be lost.

i'm gonna use Acetic Acid for the acid soak ( will get a picture in my extraction diary as soon as i get everything of the materials on the list) - from a chemical supply store - It's described as Acetic Acid Min. 95 %. For basification i am going to use lye crystals. For the non-polar solvent, i 've got some Zippo Lighter Fluid.


1. First thing's first. The thing i am not aware of is NPS pulls. Reading through and through Cyb's tek .pdf, i am not sure how many times i add/ mix/ wait to separate a 50 ml NPS (for that ~750 ml mix in the jar).

in Step Seven: Pulling :

Repeat Steps Six and Seven four more times, giving five pulls in total. (more pulls if you feel that you want to)

so does that mean that i do this 4 times (4 X 50ml NPS), mixing/letting separate FOUR times for every 50 ml of NPS i add

If so, this means i use about 200-250 ml NPS for 4-5 Pulls ? Just want to make sure of that?

How much time to wait for different pulls is recommended?

I already did a simple STB to a batch of MHRB that turned out to be trunk bark, but i added NPS only once - 50ml , mix, shake, wait to separate - repeat this 5 times, waited for the first separation an hour, and for the next four about 15-20 minutes each)? I got only two little yellow bunks of goo, but wasn't surprised, having in mind it's trunk bark.


This time i want to make everything by the letter, so as to get better results


2) I plan to get a pH paper to check levels. I know it's not a MUST, but i prefer to use it. Another thing i am not sure about :

2.1 When acidifying, pH must reach about 3,5 ? Correct me if i'm wrong

2.2 When basifying, pH must reach 13,5 - 14? Correct me if i'm wrong


Best Regards!

Slugware
add 50ml nap... mix/shake/separate four times so it is good and mixed and transfer has taken place.
So yes you will need at least 200ml nap Or you can reuse the nap after it has frozen... recycle it.
pH is 2–4 for the acid stage
pH is 12 or above for the base stage.

95% acetic is strong, you won't need much. (vinegar is only 5%)

I assume that this is the product of the filtration after extracting from the seeds? If so, it looks fine Continue with salt precipitation to get much of the stuff out that you do not want in your product.
Get a black light. You can use it to check, where your alkaloids are. They have a really strong fluorescens. Even small splashes on furniture, hands, arms etc. glow under the black light.

I am having a problem with my extraction.

I just performed Cyb's hybrid Salt Tek, using 50g mimosa, followed the directions 100%, but during the freeze precip stage, I am yielding zero material. I've tried partially evaporating the naptha and re-freezing, but this does not seem to produce any additional results.


Following that, I performed Noman's tek on an additional 50g of mimosa, experiencing the same result.

I am curious if anyone has any clues as to what might be happening, because I would assume even if I had bad quality bark, there would be at least a little material left behind.


Marsofold tek worked fine for me, but that was circa 2008, so I can't really comment too much about that.

Thanks for helping me sort it out, Cyb! You're extremely helpful lad!

lol... I'm probably old enough to be your grandad... hehe