alright Nexus....

I've studied the methods. chatted a little with a few members, and procured the ingredients. any final advice for Syrian Rue Pharmauasca for a first timer with plenty of heavy psychedelic experience?

much love and appreciation

WeNeverSleep

Hi WeNeverSleep,

here is how We do it:

1.

6 hours fast. You should plan your journey when it gets dark, so lets say you plan at 19:00 hours: your last food will be by 13:00 hours.

No water 2 hours before the intake. Make sure you have your stool that day. You don't want to do it in the middle of the trip, and since you will be 1/2 day fasting it may confuse you and forget to go...

Prepare your music, it should be simple and rhythmic, no confusing and fast. Have a sitter. you may get very cold in some part of the trip, so have blankets. The sitter should ask you how you are doing every 30 minutes.

2.
- 00:15
take two bites of bread and butter, NO MORE, you will be hungry, but this is all, any more will give you nausea.
00:00 take your harmalas, we take A LOT, 1g and more.
00:25 you should feel the effect
00:30 take DMT, we do 2 g of Mimosa cold brew.
00:40 take a bite of bread and butter (olive oil...)

01:00 you should be there already. If you take strong dose you won't be able to get out of the bed, or move arround much.

It can go very very very bad, but don't worry, it will pass and go away within one hour.

03:00 it should end, you should be able to have your eyes open, and you should be able to walk arround the room with no help or difficulty, if not, then wait more in the bed. Whe it is over talk to a friend, take a bath, of just go to sleep.

Day after up to 3 to 4 days you may feel jumpy and irritable, but it will go away after few days... On the safe side don't plan anything the day after.

The stronger the better, half-ass trips are not good, the brain doesn't let go and after all it gets more difficult that way.

good luck
Jox

1g of harmalas is a huge dose and potentially very unpleasant, besides a waste. 200-250mg harmine, or 150-200mg harmaline/harmine, will provide MAO inhibition for most people of normal weight, and perhaps will keep it from going very very very bad.



Never happened to me. May have to do with that huge harmalas shot.



That is your opinion. And perhaps not the best opinion to give to a declared first-timer. What's a "half-ass trip"?

@WeNeverSleep, I left a report of my first pharma experience here. Maybe you find it useful.

To the OP: Please do not use an all caps header when it is not needed, I've changed it back to normal.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Please don't recommend taking 1 GRAM of harmalas to first timers Jox. You either have a very abnormal tolerance or are talking about caapi harmalas, because 300mg of syrian rue harmalas is a very solid dose for most people (and for me incredibly psychedelic even without DMT). I can't even imagine how much hell 1 gram would be, even without dmt. I know that personally I would be very altered for at least 24-48 hours...And it would be purge city. I wouldn't recommend that any first timer go over 300mg. I'd start at more like 200mg, since this can be plenty for some and very powerful by itself.

"The stronger the better, half-ass trips are not good, the brain doesn't let go and after all it gets more difficult that way."

This may be true for you, but it certainly isn't something that can be generalized onto everyone else. I love low/mid intensity experiences as well. Its actually the higher doses that are more likely to be uncomfortable for me than the lower ones. I know what you mean though, I just don't think it can be applied to everyone. We're all different. Actually now that i think about it, what you said seems more applicable to my experiences with LSD than aya.

WeNeverSleep, what amounts of harmalas/rue are you taking?

Just make sure you avoid SSRIS and things like MDMA, since combining them with harmalas can be deadly.

If you feel the purge coming, don't resist it. Just let it come. Usually any nausea will subside after you purge. It also helps tremendously to lay in silent darkness, without moving. This can both lessen the nausea and deepen the experience. Have water nearby...And a big jar is good to puke in, since you can just throw a lid on it and don't have to worry about knocking over a bucket of puke.

Music or vocalizing can also be a useful way to transition out of a rutt

If you take a large dose (especially of harmalas), don't be surprised if the experience lasts much longer than you anticipated. Usually its 4 or so hours, but at higher amounts it can reach upwards of 10 or even more.

thanks for all the feedback travelers

my recipe is as follows:
3 grams syrian rue seeds ground

simmer 45 mins, strain
repeat 3x adding new water
reduce the final liquid to a manageable size

consume rue tea, wait 20 mins

mix 50mg spice FB in to a shot of OJ
consume.

ive heard alot of subtle variations as well, so any feed back to this recipe specifically would be appreciated

always with love and respect
WNS

try having it in the morning as soon after you wake up and finish daily activities such as brushing , crapping , bathing

this way you would have already fasted in your sleep , and with a clear stomach after your daily activities you're all good to go

listen to music , this i think i should not remind you as you mention you've had many heavy psychedelic experiences , and you know music makes it way way better

also its a good idea to eat a few slices of fruit after 1 hour as this gets your stomach rolling and the goodies within you will act more profoundly

get a bucket lined with a plastic bag

do the measurements sound good? and the method?

also, straining the rue tea? coffee filter?

lastly, i know it all varies, but how long could i expect with a does like this?
everyone has been so helpful and relaxing my nerves about this voyage.
Love and Respect
WNS

50mg should last a few hours, I would say it won't be too intense, if you are looking to go quite a bit deeper you might need more, but if you are trying your first time I would stick with the 50 to see how you find it. Just to get a general feel for the intensity for you.

If you have ever taken mushrooms, shave about a quarter to a third from the total time of tripping and that's aya/pharma. Also it feels very similar in my opinion.

HI,

why dont you extract rue, don't have the time? I have a fast tek for this.

if making tee I saw this recipe.

I think you should avoid purge, this is the idea of pharmahuasca.

I remesured my harmalas, and 1g is too much, I think we do arround 600mg, which is about 5g of rue extraction, with caapi the math was different, it was 1g.

Jox

sounds good, We Sleep. And for filtering, just use a cotton t shirt

You could also consider leaving the rue tea in the fridge overnight before consuming. A lot of sludge drops to the bottom of the jar, which can make the nausea quite a bit worse. There is a decent amount of harmalas in there though, so it can be re boiled to get more goodies.

But its no problem if you just want to drink it right away and forget that step altogether



For some maybe... But for everyone? absolutely not. Pharmahuasca is great to me because of its convenience, long-term storage, portability, and precise dosing. But personally i'd prefer a full spectrum brew to it, most days.

Anyways, even with very pure harmalas and dmt, there can still be purging. I don't know why people would think this isn't the case. For me the purge fluxuates...sometimes i'll go through times where i purge each trip i have. Other times, not for many experiences.

In any case, resisting the purge is a horrible idea. It only prolongs the nausea and possibly any uncomfortable mental affects. The purge can be incredibly healing and is sometimes just another key part of the experience, not an unfortunate side-effect that should be avoided...Eating healthy food in the weeks and especially days before hand can make it more gentle though. People often recommend a piece of buttered bread after drinking the brew, in order to get digestion flowing. For me bread is uncomfortable in the stomache while tripping and has led to more intense purging, so I'd take a piece of fruit over that any day... but to each their own.

I think 50mg is a good dose. For some that is small, but for some sensitive folks it is a perfect amount. It also depends so much on the harmalas that it is hard to say. Lots of factors. Best to work your way up and find out the ratios/amounts you like. As far as duration, thats also complicated lol. it can be anywhere from a few hours to 10 hours or more...Duration depends a lot on the amount of harmalas though.

it is the butter, not the bread that is the focus for activating trytpamines, people just happen to put it on bread..any fats work. Some people use a teaspoon of olive oil. The fat stimulates the gallbladder. Fruit might kick in your digestion but it will not work the way fats do, unless you eat avocado.

"I remesured my harmalas, and 1g is too much, I think we do arround 600mg, which is about 5g of rue extraction, with caapi the math was different, it was 1g."

Maybe it is just me, but those numbers sound off. If your getting 600mg from 5g of rue I think your harmalas are very very impure. Very few people are going to want to ever take 600mg of rue harmalas. Most people would be puking heavily from that with nausea, not matter how pure they are.

all the feedback has been amazing everyone

and i will report back as i plan on drinking it tomorrow.

piece of fruit(or something a little naturally fatty) just after to stimulate digestion
thanks again for taking the time to read this and help a newborn begin to crawl.

love and respect as always
WNS

If you find that you're having a "misfire" or that the experience isn't quite as strong as you'd like, remember you can smoke some DMT to easily remedy this problem. Exercise caution. You should definitely load up less than you normally would, as you will still probably end up further than you can imagine possible. To be honest, my favorite part of any pharmahuasca experience is when I smoke the DMT on top. For some, it might be complete overkill. Maybe you'll get as far as you need to go just based on your oral dose, but remember that smoking it is still an option for when things are a bit disappointing.