I second the strong 15+ minute open eye visuals although with my 50mg baseline was over an hour. The open eye visuals after you come back are insane. Nothing else compares and I don't wish to have them again. The confusion is so strong and time literally just makes no sense.

Let me guess everything shattered into millions of fractals. To much going on everywhere to even begin to comprehend.

Just recently got my pocket mg scale and now can weigh doses.. Before this ive made many atemps with DMT ..at first in light bulb.. was a failyer using that method..
Then i tryed the DMT sandwish method and it got better..now changa is working well..
But most times ..[so far]..ive experianced an awesome state of relaxation with ... [acacia changa]
At this acacia changa dose.. it like letting go of all my fears ..all my stress...all my concerns in life ..Stress no longer existed ..pain no longer existed...fear no longer existed..as i lay there i fell through my bed and kept free falling through a hole in the earth itself ending up in some other galaxy or heaven itself..
As i triped listening to a cut from [lakota piano]..
I felt as if I were a child again safley protected in the lap of god himself or the mother of the universe..
In fact i felt so good [experiancing a gentle pulsing buzzing all through my body]..i wondered if this stuff was addictive?

But no DMT isnt like cocaine! ..i thought.. im not adicted this is just natural..
These doses were un weighed and undersized but one time.. caught me off guard..[alone]..i did get a good thick hit and ..very quickly ..everything started making noises ..fractals buzzing everywhere...I started to feel some anxiety and tryed to get rid of that ..[everything is closing in on me feeling].. tryed to lay down and relax but couldent for long.. then by opening the curtains letting in sunshine and fresh air..but the more i tryed to change my trip the more anxiety i was feeling..
So quickly i just stoped fighting the experiance and stayed put very happy i didnt go out into the street freaking out telling people i was dieing..
I realize now my own emotions were responsible for a lot of my anxiety and now realize one must let DMT lead them and just observe and learn..
The next time i get a good thick effective hit i will [not try to change my trip at all!]
because DMT is in control ..
Not being able to get mimosa these days acacia will do and not shure if acacia can ever be as fast paced and intense as that time i got a good hit of mimosa?
Any way I find at right doses ..[DMT can be like heaven]...or a rollercoaster ride through the cosmos...
Salvia is another thing all together ....

I wont go above 25-30mg, 75mg is the highest dose I took and I do not feel the need to do that again. I like mimosa tea if I want more then just 30 minutes in space.

I have overloaded before

I wanted to test the diffeence harmelias made to the experience so took what I knew to be a bit of a foolish breakthrough dose and dumped some rue extract straight on top of it.

One hit big hit and it came on slow but accelerated to a ridiculous speed (like I fast forwarded a normal breakthrough) it was to much to take in. I opened my eyes and everything was destroyed. Think of looking at a reflection in a badly shattered mirror then add rapidly morphing fractals to the edges of everything. At this point if there were a panic button I would have pushed it as nothing made sense anymore.

Somehow through all this craziness I managed to pick up and light a pre rolled joint I had sitting next to me. Pure lifesaver it felt as if the act of inhaling the smoke was somehow reconnecting me with life and reality. I smoked it as if it was the holiest of all sacraments.

After finishing the joint I was still further gone than LSD or shrooms have ever taken me. I made it back inside staggered past my GF muttering something about needing a shower. I had a long old shower and upon getting out was amazed that I could have even made it to the shower let alone washed.

I was still tripping hard like I would have been from 4 or 5 g shrooms and this was at least 45 mins later.

Ended up going to cuddle up to my GF but she was watching a "crocodile tears" program on TV about pedophiles who kill children then pretend to help looking for them.

F**k that I felt so broken / disconnected and could in no way deal with watching people like that so I made a joint smoked it and went to bed.

I learnt a valuable lesson about respect for the spice that day.

Nearly everyone here with experience will tell you to find your sweet spot a dose that will take you out there but still allow you to bring something back. I am glad I have experienced oblivion but have no desire to repeat it.

For a deeper expoloraton I would recommend re dosing as you come out of the breakthrough. It's like surfing hyperspace or a tightrope between realities. My most profound experiences have been from "sessions" with the spice rather than a single hit. Most I have gone for is two hours then I hit the wall and the spice stopped working.

The wall is a strange and powerfull experience it's almost as if you have journied so far out that you have gone full circle and found yourself at your front door. I felt as though in had reset my soul and been reborn.

There are no heros in hyperspace. It is not about being able to smoke x amount in one hit. It is all about the journey and if you are travelling to fast then you will miss out on all the beautiful scenery. Just end up arriving at your final destination with no idea where you have been.

No actually it was very uniform and organized. In a strange way it was less chaotic but also far surpassing anything I had ever experienced. I was above fractals and geometric patterning. That, believe it or not, is more low level stuff. I'm talking about something much more advanced.

Personal experience- your mileage may vary:

10mg- Oooh look at the wall.. it's kinda... oooo... that's... yeah...
15mg- Whoa, that painting is 3d, holy crap It's like I took 2 decent tabs of acid!
20mg- OK might want to sit down for this one... good chance of obvious closed eye visuals
25mg- Blatantly seeing hyperspace, pretty much in it.
30mg- Not really sure who I am anymore.
35mg + - No idea what I am, and have very much lost the ability to comprehend such a concept. Hyperspace is all there is.

Any further and I just lose track of what happened.

My 2 cents, start slow man, I hit 30 for my first time,
green screening it and it took my mind too far, should a started slower!
I didnt think it had anything more after my recent aya experiences but.... slow
any breakthrough that has fiber other than intoxication isnt comparable imho

Work up not back down.

I usually get way more than fractals from a breakthrough dose things of indescribable beauty that have shape form and texture. Occasionally It does not work and instead of breaking through I just go nowhere hallucinate and feel wobbly almost like access has been denied (if that makes sense). When I did to much it felt like I only broke through for a minute or two and the rest of the experience was spent sitting there literally blinded by hallucinations just trying to hang on untill things made a bit of sense.

These were not visions these were worse just pure chaos.

Interesting, uniform and organized describe my visuals at low doses. It's not uncommon for the light in my room to just be a bump under an extra smooth ceiling after I open my eyes at the end of a CEV session. And during my biggest dose, still sub breakthrough, I got this simplification to the point that I did not even have limbs, and the trip consisted of reconstructing them incrementally.

If I do anything more than 30mg these days I will be for sure emptying the contents of my stomach. I miss the good old days when I could handle 50+mg with no nausea. :/

My low doses are usually just complex patterns and geometric impossibilities. As I increase dose this intensifies and the impossible multiplies a billion fold for every 5mg's.

You can read my report in the dmt experience section. The title is misleading, later on I measured and it was at least 50mg.

Thanks for all the incredible feedback everyone!

For myself, I am good on my 25mg. I already have incredibly intense breakthroughs on that amount no problem. My friend still hasn't had any type of bad trip yet so that's why he wants to push for me. But after telling him about what you guys said he only wants to do only up a few mg slowly. ( I still wouldn't allow him to go from 25mg to 100mg).

I really have no desire to jump up to anything more than what I'm doing now. Seeing jesus,mary,god, space, infinite, me and my friend, holographic seas, space, the goddess, wizards, alien libraries, floating beings, circus, and actually having it talk to me...well..
that's good enough for me lol.

Honestly, let him take a 100mg rip. I doubt he will ever ask for that much again.

theres also the possibility of someone never using DMT again due to that

...or suffering some long lasting PTSD...

Ya that's pretty much what I meant. It really can be that shocking, enough to cause trauma.

Man, some of the posts in this thread really spoke to me and made me feel much better about my last 2 experiences which were… overwhelming. I was slack-jawed when I read these 2 sentences from different posts which almost perfectly describe what I experienced:





I’m brand new to the spice, did my first extraction a few weeks ago and have since had my first few DMT experiences. I was too impatient to wait for my new scale to be delivered and made the huge mistake of eyeballing my first few doses. I mean how bad could be if I overdo it when it only lasts 15 minutes? The first couple times this was fine because I was still figuring out my machine and didn’t get huge hits. I’ll NEVER do this again, holy crap, I was probably loading well over 100mg at a time. It turns out that 15 minutes can be a really really long time when time itself no longer has meaning and you’re trapped inside an infinite loop walking back and forth between your living room and bathroom almost in tears because you realize that this reality is all in your head and you just destroyed the illusion and everything / everyone you care about by taking dmt. I still have no idea how many times I actually walked back and forth between the living room and bathroom.

I was really bummed out after this happened because I’m just getting started exploring dmt and didnt want it all to be over before I really started. It was nice to read that others have had similar experiences in their journeys and that with a proper level of respect and caution that it doesn't mean it will happen every time.

I now have a milligram scale and am going to start small and very slowly work my way up to my ideal dose.

Hey sum,

Hehe it happens to the best of us. This too will pass. If you end up having a difficult time just don't worry too much. Time heals all