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ca1e
#1 Posted : 10/25/2013 3:30:04 PM

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brokenChild
#2 Posted : 10/25/2013 3:46:46 PM

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Maybe this can help Smile maybe not, I dunno, but feels right to me

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#3 Posted : 10/25/2013 4:06:47 PM

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Consider two things:

1) Many of the "death" themes with DMT seem to be more metaphorical than literal

2) 70mg is a very high dose, and you very well may have taken way more than you should have.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#4 Posted : 10/25/2013 4:31:06 PM

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Stop Hi! Welcome. I think your question is a good, universal question a lot of people go through. DMT has an uncanny way of making you face the root of fears and anxieties you are holding on to. I know plenty of people that are grown adults, and for whatever reason, they can't seem to even handle THC. The smallest inkling of self reflection or paranoia puts them into a downward spiral, and afterward they swear it off like it is bad voodoo. It's a personal thing in ways. Everyone clings to something. Some people cling to what they know as reality, and fear the unknown.

Personally, I love cliff diving. Give me a warm day, warm water, and the open, liberating sensation of connecting with nature in a very Newtonian kind of way, and I become giddy like a child on the inside. But it is scary every single time. Literally, every dive of my life has utterly shaken me to the core, and reverberated back out of me, making me feel as weak and fragile as a kitten. But that's also part of what I have grown to love about it. I try to explain to people how these sensations of the scariest dive of your life can feel so wonderful and rewarding, but very few people seem to understand. Diving, to me, is very psychedelic. You learn to trust your body, your mind's relationship with your body, and your body's relationship with the Earth. Then you just do it, and a love for life is the final reward for mastering the art of going through all that emotion before, during, and after. Smile

Ultimately, if you've done your homework and prepared well, the only thing that can go wrong is fear mucking up something your body and mind are fully capable of experiencing gracefully, and with pleasure. With diving, maybe it was just one tiny little grain of sand that got under the skin of your sole, and caused anxiety to get in the way of normal execution and release, and then you take a hard body slap as a result. That can take some time to get over, but to swear off diving after one bad experience... It seems ludicrous to me. But that's just me. People tell me they think I'm crazy for cliff diving. It's all relative. I'm sure some people feel uncomfortable by merely glancing at a fractal image, or by the thought of a dynamical system being described by a simple system of equations. "Oh no! Complexity is bubbling out of almost nothing!" It's all relative. Is anything truly easy in life? Boredom and ignorance is easy, IMHO. Holding onto fears is easy. Facing them and letting them go, one by one is the very hard, but very rewarding path (for me). It's just an emotion. Emotions are invented instincts of our mammalian brains. We can master them like any of the forces of nature. Smile

You've come this far. Now listen to your heart. If it's not in you to keep pushing into this realm, then don't. Or wait. Move on. Don't worry about it. It would be ridiculous for me to take people to the top of a cliff and try to convince them diving is a wonderful idea. It's a personal thing. You're either inclined to do these things, or you're not. No one of sound mind judges this type of personal choice. No one. Fears are normal. DMT is not for everyone.

Best wishes to you, my friend! May all your journeys bring you peace!
 
ca1e
#5 Posted : 10/25/2013 5:09:42 PM

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Global
#6 Posted : 10/25/2013 9:05:54 PM

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ca1e wrote:


Global:
I've read that 40-60mg is the usual dose.. But having been disappointed with 30mg, and landing on 70mg when I put the spice on the scales, I just went with it.
This is also my first psychedelic substance.. Perhaps I should try lower doses, and get used to what's happening first?


It's hard to say what your dosage should really be without knowing how you're smoking/vaping it. Some methods are a bit more crude and will require slightly larger dose sizes to balance things out. When using a GVG, the high dose range is typically considered from 25-30mg.

What I do know is that despite whichever method you use, that DMT does not seem to have a linear dosage response curve. What I mean by that is that if you double the amount, it's not simply doubling the effects - it's orders of magnitudes more. I would suggest to increase your dosage no more than 10mg at a time per trial. Not only that, but DMT is not the most reliable substance in the world to use such that the 30mg that disappointed you last time may very well knock your socks off the next time.

Getting used to what's happening is definitely a good strategy. The more you see of the kinds of goings-on there are in hyperspace, the easier it should become for you to psychologically handle some of the rougher situations because even sub-breakthrough experiences can easily amount to the most intense experiences of a person's life which in some cases can't come close to touching the intensity of a full-on breakthrough.

I congratulate you on your fine choice of DMT as a first psychedelic. You're having a bit of a rough start, but once you start to figure things out, get comfortable with a dose range and administration and all that, I think you'll come around just fine.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#7 Posted : 10/25/2013 11:38:12 PM

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In the beginning try not to over think or project
Too much into your experiences . It is a fun house of
Illusions . Things are never as they may seem . be
An alert observer and student , write things down . It's over a long period
That things begin to emerge that might be considered constants .
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
Arthur C. Clarke


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ca1e
#8 Posted : 10/26/2013 4:41:40 PM

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brokenChild
#9 Posted : 10/26/2013 11:00:27 PM

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I would recommend maybe looking into ayahuasca if your decision is to further explore DMT. There's a sticky in the ayahuasca subforum that is very informative. Maybe one of the other members can correct me here if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that ayahuasca is more of a healing DMT experience than just smoking straight spice, again tho I've only had the ayahuasca experience, and if taken with full respect, it can certainly open up some miraculous doors into one's view of life and its purpose overall. Best of luck brother
 
 
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