Hello All.
SWIM has only inhaled once( ten years ago ). Also SWIM doesn't know anyone to ask yet locally.
MOD: NO TALK ABOUT BUYING/SELLING/ACQUIRING CHECK THE ATTITUDE PAGE . All attributes sound characteristic of internet described rb. color smell taste ect. SWIM did basic a/b extract. citic ac. nappy naptha n.p. freeze precipitate little snow globes the first time . froze plant material . ran again. nice little forest of needles. seems to melt clean. smells very peculiar. Not like solvent. tried uv light but wasnt conclusive to me since im not sure if its supposed to pop out or just be white other white powders looked dark . supposed spices just looked white.

Also . SWIM did an a/b/a/b so i ended up with clear basic solution. after extraction, about two weeks later i found this

So far SWIM weighed 3.5 g , and still have three more yellow/brownish mason jar needoe forests that havent been weighed. SWIM started with 500 g .

as long as you are sure no basified mixture ended up in your product, coloration is perfectly fine (and even preferred, by some)

does anyone have a recomendation as to whether swim should mix everything together and rex or just stir it all together and call it good?

. ok.ok . swim understands why no one wants to reply, especially with the ways to tell what you have mentioned in detail in this part of the forum (colorimetric,tlc). swim had already ordered marquis,mecke and mandellin but just wanted to know what people thought before it arrived. Does anyone have pictures of the colors for n,n and n mt. also has anyone tried them (the reagents)with piperine or its variants ?.
swim made some tlc plates on glass with silica and plaster.(recipe from the net), swim found lots of info on eluents but couldnt find the right match with whats available. from what swim could find . methanol and ammonia.(.25Rf n mt,.50Rf n,n ) with methanol being wood spirits or turpentine(the one without pinene or limonene), and for the ammonia swim has the the ole janitor strength(10%).
swim doesnt mind doing research,but is swim headed in the right direction?

Here are some pics of the tests. however , it says nitric acid but i used simons instead

order is , start , 15 min, 20 min, 1 hr final

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=25771

This thread has reagent results, and it seems to match what dmt/nmt would do. Other Acacia confusa analysis have shown it to be mostly dmt and nmt.


Also check this:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=11715

regarding other things that the reagents you had dont test or (lye remains, solvent traces, etc)

Thanks for the reply End .somewhere when swim was browsing swim saw stated color results for nmt and d mt oxide but couldnt find them in the links you provided. swim did however find the info for the piperazine swim needeed. # j1 and j2 were the most suspected to be d mt. and j3 and c1 were most suspected to be nmt or oxide. however the test results loook pretty much the same. that leeds me to beleive that the color changes for dmt must be darker than for the others (nmt, n oxide) and was overpowered .
Any suggestions for a base test. previously swim had been adding some water to them and then testing pH. granted that wouldnt account for any base that would be inside the xtals.
swim does feel better but it sounds like tlc is still in order however swim still hasnt worked past the correct eluents.

So what were the different samples? all from acacia confusa? different barks, different extractions, or just different pulls?

You need to know what correct eluent for TLC? I`d use ethanol or IPA or methanol and 25% ammonia in a ratio of 100:2.5ml. Can be adapted for weaker ammonia or less dry alcohols.

The different samples were all from the same 500g of acrb. swim knows now swim probably should have labeled the pics of the xtals better. i started by basic extraction, the results are the first pic of xtals.(labeled j1 on the reagent plate). then swim froze the rb. basic extraction procedure. results in pic2(little open jar from above.)reagent plate j2. Then the used base solution for the first pull was heated and extraced again, about two days later. the results are pics three and four. with four forming on the bottom at rt precip (sample j3), the jar was then flipped upside down and put in for freeze precip.the results are picture 3.(this was not reagent tested, swim only tested actually formed crystals and no powerder or paste or goo or sludge).
So in the end swim ended up with two base solutions. one from fresh rb and one from that same rb but after it had been frozen and acid cooked again. and in the end four solvent pulls were made on each of the two bases. with the ones from the frozen base solution all being washed with socarb-n-water.
And so... heres some thoughts from swim. swim feels good about swims starting material. After much research and comparison of bark pics , and after sourcing some "polvo de tep' for comparison.(with the polvo being mimosa,however, it was bark but not rb. dont buy wont work for extract, but compares just fine as far as looks and smell.) so in theory swim should end up with alkaloids. d mt and n mt being the primary constituants and after essentially time, d mt n-oxide being the third. swim thinks the reagent test were all the same color because 1. more than one thing being tested for was present in each sample 2. the substance which produces the darkest coloring( d mt) would cover up the color of a light reagent change in color (n mt, d mt n-oxide). And really, thinking that swim could isolate just the d mt for test isnt really practical either because of oxidation, seems like there would always be the n-oxide present.
also in trying to sniff out what swim might have swim found the kit for the desktop spectrometry kit. has any one heard of it? swim thinks the results need to be ftp'd to their database for comparison. the whole thing is based on comparison of "known" spectra. so if no one has analized d mt or n mt with it there would be no comparison.
as far as the eluents go swim did already try the ethanol with ammonia. also tried methanol and ammonia. is it possible to concentrate the ammonia swim has or better to just adjust for it s weaknesss . then swim needed to figure out how to see the results. swim knows about the reagent 'sprays", but has no access also uv light wasnt too impressive after sample was dropped on plates. swim has monetary resources however getting the stuff for the developer reagent swim cant do (dragondorffs right ?)
thanks again -end- for your reply . swim sees that alot of other swims have read these posts but few replies. so that leads me to think 1. other swims are looking for similar answers or 2. swims dont reply because they dont feel the proper amount of reasearch has been done.
swim found some n-heptane and performed a rx on the xtals in pic 1 (reagent sample j1)
and upon rx swin ended up with xtals like the beautiful ones in the -just some xtals thread- https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=6683 - so swim is also taking that into consideration when determining if swim has what he thinks he has .swim will post those pics later

Is there a way to take pics off(delete) from posts. swim wants to fix the formic acid label on the reagent results. its missleading if the text is not read.
Also , swim may have found a way to better help store xtals that has not to swims knowledge been mentioned before. but thats all swim has to say for now

thosr are not supposed to be smileys " 1: ) " is how swim wanted it formated

edit: sorted for you

Click my signature link for a project spreading TLC kits to test things such as NMT and DMT (the organization has those standards) and much more. The project is in need of help to be able to reach the monetary goal to purchase bulk kit material.

What makes you assume that there is any n-oxide there in the first place? In my tests there either is no n-oxide or if so, in very small amounts even when product was left standing at room temp for longer. I`d bet you have nearly pure NMT and DMT mixture, considering there are no impurities from bad solvent or something.

Well... swim assumed that no matter how good his glovebox was some air would still get in. the pics that made it in the post post were just the first and second extracts. the third and fourth produced good xtals but had yellow/orange on them. Swim has microscope but its too much of a hastle to get pics. its not gooey or pasty just dry and slightly sticky.

But bottom line....now...from what swim has gathered, and now after getting xtals that look like osteoderms, Swim feels way more confident in making a determination swim has what swim should.
please correct me if this is wrong but.. taking everything melting it down(with nps) again, socarb wash x3. and in theory all that would be left is d&n mt. plus traces of other alkaloids, but no base, or oxide. and at that point do the co2(dry ice) seperation or isolation, or not. the n mt will fall as goo to the bottom if no dry ice

swim navied over to the link and watched the video. do those plates have the flourescent additive. when swim tried, methanol and ammonium hydroxide. 7:1. eluent ran up plate, removed plate slightly before front reached end and dried, tried to detect with uv light but couldnt see anything different. swims conclusions were , wrong ammonia mixture for eluent or uv light is wrong spectrum or not d or n mt, didnt wait long enough for the chamber atmosphere to saturate with eleunt. swim dissolved sample in heptane spotted plate, let dry then looked with uv light . spot was clearly visible, after elation(hope thats right) spot was still there.

swim looked at the video again, the plates must cuz they r green under the uv light.

results of rx the xtals from second pic way up top.

Looking good

Yeah those plates have UV fluorescence.

Your re-x and wash ideas are sound, looks like you`re on the right way for sure