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Alex333
#1 Posted : 10/23/2013 8:02:52 AM
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Hello all, ive been a member here for awhile but was only ever a lurker. However after having my first ayahuasca experience (acacia confusa+syrian rue) tonight i decided i should finally be more active.


some background info: i've been using drugs since i was 12/13. early on i was in love, always wanting to experience everything i possibly could. its never brought me any strife except that stemming from others demonizing drug use simply because its drug use. before the RC scene became somewhat mainstream i had tried the typical things: weed,alcohol,tobacco,inhalants,mushrooms,ecstacy,various prescription stimulants and opiates....i had a love affair with ambien for a couple years. my dreams include buying some land to build an earthship on, meet all my basic needs myself, and grow every drug i can possibly muster out of the earth. at some point id also like to study organic chemistry, although more for the fun of learning than to synthesize anything.

around 2009 i learned of the RC scene and became a highly active member on euphoric knowledge. having access to such a wide variety of things was incredibly appealing to me. i was a bit of a sample whore and was able to try a really huge variety of things before the log jam. this is when i really started to use psychedelics, mainly 2c-x's although a good bit of 5-meo-dmt and 4-aco as well as others. did a lot of mxe too.

such experiences have really influenced my mindset. i was always a questioner, but now my mind is stuck in deep, highly analytical existential crisis 24/7. not in a bad way, i rather enjoy it. i do find it hard to actually have ANY sort of beliefs on anything though, it feels like as if the only thing that can exist is question and observation.




the buildup: anyway, i recently ordered a qp of acacia confusa and an oz of syrian rue. last night i brewed them up following the guide on scribd, without any of the ritualistic stuff and admittedly less water due to available pots i had. i brewed the entirety of the confusa in one pot and the rue in another. i only topped each off once because they didnt seem to need it, i used pretty low heat from fear of burning it. not sure if my methods caused any drop in potency. i divided each brew into 8 roughly equal portions (as close as i could get based on how full a cup was) meaning each dose was going to be 3.5g rue and 14g acrb. two doses were kept in fridge the rest frozen


today when my girlfriend got home from work we were ready to go. before this we went in with somewhat minimal expectations. due to my longstanding interest in drugs ive read lots on dmt over the years and felt like i had as much preparation as one can really get without doing it. my girlfriend is somewhat inexperienced with drugs, before we got together 18 months ago she had only drank and smoked weed, and had only been smoking weed for a few months. since weve met shes tried everything ive had in that period. dxm,mdma,kanna,kava,kratom,opium,a couple synthetic noids, perhaps a few more things. also lsd and mushrooms but all very disappointing examples of those experiences which werent far past baseline. i had her watching dmt: the spirit molecule and read a few trip reports to get a general idea, as well as told her everything of value i could think of. going in i had a sense of guilt that i may not have prepared her enough, but turns out things went great.



the experience: we drank the cup of syrian rue....perhaps two or three shots worth. (3.5g) downed it with milk. we then smoked a bowl and put on some shpongle and waited 30 minutes to drink the acacia confusa, about 12 fl oz. (14g)

for my gf, the trip was overwhelming positive. nothing but giggles and smiles the whole time. she had fully immersed hallucinations, but all worldly based. she would go to places she has been before, although the happenings were bizarre. working in her office and seeing entities there and whatnot.

it started off for me by puking about 20 seconds after drinking the acacia. i was so irritated by it. having fasted for the last 18 hours or so my puke was entirely liquid....and i decided to redrink it. i told myself it was going to be a day of many firsts anyway and in 10 minutes there would be much bigger issues at hand. surprisingly it tasted better the second time, i think from the milk being mixed in. gross, but whatever.

about 15 minutes after drinking i started to melt into the bed, it was obvious things were about to get really big really quick. my trip lacked hallucinations. there were a lot of visual distortion, color changes, tracers, etc. but no full blown immersive hallucinations. no seeing entities of any kind. no seeing anything that wasnt actually there, although things were distorted enough that they certainly looked a lot different. the room seemed to have extra dimensions. however, i believe this may be directly related to me. even with heroic doses of potent shrooms and really dangerous accidently high doses of 2c-e ive never had more visuals than todays experience.

although the visuals were lacking, everything else was profoundly intense. it was as if i had a million new senses that would fill up in til the point that they overloaded and when they did they would exploded into a billion new ones and the cycle would repeat endlessly. my thinking took all these senses into consideration and built ideas incorporating them. although i wasnt "gone" in a visual way.....i was gone. i was everywhere, i was nowhere, i was simultaneously everything that has ever been, and still unborn. a defining aspect of the experience was the cycle. for a portion of the trip it seemed like id have one thought that went of on a particular tanget, and as soon as it was resolved it would repeat. i cant actually remember the thoughts, but they werent positive. it was absolute fear, panic, negativity and every time i thought it may end it would repeat. i got the idea to try and count the times it cycled but for the life of me i couldnt figure out how. i could tell that there was the same beginning, content, and end to the thoughts....but every time it restarted i would loose all sense of anything before it except the fact id been through this before. this persisted until i came down, upon which i had the most overwhelmingly euphoric sense of relief and well being until i sobered up.


some thoughts and questions: the entire trip only lasted 1:25 minutes from ingestion until i came down enough to "see the world again". my girlfriend was actually slightly shorter duration, i didnt really start to come down much til she mentioned she was. why do you think the duration was so short? we each purged about 30minutes after drinking the acrb (1hr after rue), could that be it? could the syrian rue dose have been too low and some dmt was metabolized too quickly? weve all heard the reports of acrb being possibly orally active....maybe the rue did almost nothing and the acrb was operating mostly on its own? i believe that one report you can find on here and erowid (you know the one) also said the acrb solo was short and very intense, that would match my findings if that was the case.
 

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Mz.Gypzy
#2 Posted : 10/23/2013 3:01:40 PM

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i brewed the entirety of the confusa in one pot and the rue in another. i only topped each off once because they didnt seem to need it, i used pretty low heat from fear of burning it. not sure if my methods caused any drop in potency. i divided each brew into 8 roughly equal portions (as close as i could get based on how full a cup was) meaning each dose was going to be 3.5g rue and 14g acrb. two doses were kept in fridge the rest frozen


Hi Alex and welcome to the Nexus.

After reading your preparation some questions come to mind.
The answers might help explain why the duration of your experience was so short.

Did you do multiple boils of each Material with new water saving the tea each time?

For example cook for 3 hours remove "tea" then use fresh water and cook agian for 3 hours, usually 3 times.

This is to ensure that you extract as much of the wanted alkoilds as possible.



Did you filter and decant your brews? This could of helped with the nausea helping to keep the brew down longer to take more effect.

Its hard to say exactly what caused your brew to be so short acting. These things have so many variables.

A lot of people completely fail with their first brew and it's sounds like you had some success. Now its all about working out the kinks.


Did you save your spent plant materials? If you only cooked them for a short time I would see if I could pull some more goodies from them. ( did you use any acid? Lemon juice or vinegar?) That's worth a shot too.

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i think from the milk being mixed in. gross, but whatever


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Alex333
#3 Posted : 10/23/2013 8:32:43 PM
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no, i only did one one boil of the acrb for a period of about 8 hours, with one top up sometime around the 4 hour mark. it was inner trunk bark, and i tried to grind it up some but it was by no means powder, just smaller bits of bark than it came in. so basically youre saying the water has some sort of max limit it can absorb into it? or is there a different reason multiple washes extract better?

i filtered each brew to remove all the seeds and bark, it was absolutely clear before cooling. looked a little muddy in the morning after being in the fridge, but there was almost no sediment in either of the cups of acrb we had, and none detectable in the rue.

the guide i followed http://www.scribd.com/do...Brewing-Asian-Ayahuasca- used kiwi in the brew and so did i. i replaced them when the recipe said too, but i did "juice" the kiwis into the brew after removing them in case they had absorbed some of the dmt. i did save the acrb but tossed the rue. ill freeze the bark and try to rebrew when i can get more maoi.

ill get better at it with time im sure, but we were both very happy with the results so far. i myself couldnt imagine it being any more intense, just equal but different. perhaps thats naive of me though, im quite excited to find out Smile
 
teckner
#4 Posted : 10/24/2013 9:22:11 PM
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Yeah, your best option would be to read more teks (especially on the nexus) about making Ayahuasca, and since you're interested in chemistry, familiarize yourself with each step and why you do it. Ayahuasca can be simpler than extracting the DMT to make Pharmahuasca, but you'll find that the experiences will be more consistant if you take two small pills rather than two plus cups of vile acidic brew, especially since you already threw up the first time.
 
LaoTzu
#5 Posted : 10/25/2013 12:17:50 AM

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Sounds like a really great introduction experience. I've been really wanting to go for an aya session, but I'm just a bit too anxious. I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with everything else, but I guess it's just a nerve racking preparing to jump in for 8 hours or so. I would love to be able to jump in for an hour and a half to get an idea of what to expect.

Welcome aboard!
 
Alex333
#6 Posted : 10/25/2013 5:20:12 AM
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two friends also reported intense but short (2 hour) experiences.

im definitely going to look into pharmahuasca. i placed another order for more so ill be able to play around with the teks a bit.
 
 
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