Can anyone provide some knowledge / experiemce on the potency of Hawaiian Chacruna?

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I am interested in knowing what a moderate dose would be in a ayahusca brew.

I've seen one report on the Nexus that stated 24 grams was a very strong experience. He suggested 12 grams would be a good dose. That is way less than the standard leaf recommendation of 50 grams. That experience was from a couple years ago, however, so I'm wondering if the super potency still applies to the Hawaiian leaf one can find online.

In for answers, I actually have over 80g of it but have yet to use it, so if anything would be able to tell you for sure in 2 or 3 weeks when I get more caapi. Have tried the normal chacruna and about 80g for me seems just right (used 100, but ended up not drinking all of it since there was no need)

Everything is relative tho, would have to find own sweet spot. 50g would be a good start for normal chacruna, but may be smarter to brew a little more to inch your way to sweet spot if needed. And if not needed you can always save it in the fridge for next time. Maybe apply same idea to the hawaiian stuff, just brew up what you feel is more than sufficient, and start at 12g till you get to ur sweet spot, save the rest that you don't use in the fridge. Assuming you drink the admixture and caapi separate.

So sorry about breaking the rules there. I had seen other threads mention vedors her and there so I figured it was OK. Now I know.

I did some research on the ayahusca forum and they say just 5 grams is a decent starting dose with Hawaiian!

Amazing it is that potent. I figure brewing up about 15 or 20 per person and redosing can be done as/if needed would be a good plan. If no more or little more is needed after the first cut it can be saved.

i took 25g of that chacruna with no problem. i have a poor digestion but not sure if that affects anything; sometimes it seems to and others it's like it makes no difference. i avoid that chacruna because it's confusing about the dosages. i know one fella who reckons go low, drinks something to sensitize himself to aya, and also they have their brew teks down to a tee. most of them use the crockpot for caapi extraction, and whilst 3x3 hr boils can definitely do it, my experience is that 4 x 9 hours in a crockppot makes a fair difference (just caapi). and the more maoi the less leaf needed, if you wish. all in all your gonna have to experiment i suppose but having extra for more sounds like the way to go.

as far as the poor digestion goes, I just wanted to suggest maybe looking into Kambucha, and/or ginger green tea if you're into those sorts of things, they're intended to improve the functions of the "gut" system; certain high-quality Oolong teas can also help. Of course diet also plays into it, just wasn't sure to what extent you were aware of these things. My old man use to drink Aloe Vera green tea as well when he had stomach issues; feel it out for yourself and do what you feel is best, I'm just throwing out some options

I had 25 g of Hawaiian chacruna, and brewed it all at once. I took about 1/3 of that and had a fairly mild trip. I think I'll drink the other 2/3 of my brew at once, and have a pretty strong trip. So, Hawaiian definitely seems to be much stronger than Peruvian. I took about 50g of Peruvian stuff, and didn't feel much.

Keep in mind that everyone's physiologies are different, so about 16 g of Hawaiian may be good for me, 8g might work well for you.

thanks for the time and thought bC. i've tried kombucha a few times and found that even small amounts make me feel acidic. i'm not a fan of fermented foods though i know some folk like them; ive tried many and they just don't agree; have had a few things bubbling away in the past. i'm having good progress with low g.i., organic, gluten free with the "hay" combining diet. thanks

as per the hawaiian chacruna...is it all the same?

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The chacruna I have came directly from hawaii (assuming the question was directed at me), it's dried and has a weird light bluish green hue... haven't really had a chance to sample it yet, but smells amazing.

It's different from the other chacruna I used before, which was just green, mostly whole dried leaf, from canada... which I presume to be fairly standard, since I used the whole 112g for one session and everything went well (granted I didn't need to drink all of it, drank till I felt was enough, bout 80g or so)

it was a general question bC, i could of made that clearer.

if what you bought is from the same supplier/grower that the dutch viridis is from, then it all holds true. how to know? is it that important? might be. i think the purge may act as a safety valve, in that once you've reached the maximum dosage for your body, you purge (unless its tinctures etc which i think have less of a safety valve). could be wrong and maybe not relevant at super high doses either...

P. viridis is incredibly variable as far as alkaloid content. If all of the Hawaiian stuff is coming from the same strain(s) via clones, then it will have the same potency. If not, it's hard to say. The reason that the "Hawaiian chacruna" from certain places is so potent is because it has been artificially selected for its alk content, afaik.

Additionally, no, the purge does not act as a "safety valve" in that sense.