Hi,

I've recently gone for a bushwalk and identified the Acacia Pycnantha.
There were plenty of young trees with healthy looking bark, but I found a few trees that had collapsed and were beginning to die. The bark on the dying trees is a dark reddish/brown colour as could be removed very easily by hand.

My question is,
Is dried out bark sufficient to make an extraction? Does the alkaloid content change with age?

well i don't think the plant needs DMT to survive, so it may not deplete the bark of the "good" alkaloids (kinda like how water-stressing boosts alkaloids).

so i would think it is worth playing around with to find out.


you tell us (after the extraction)

You can always try it out iin a little experiment and see what you get, can you post pics of the bark.

Note: The two pictures at the bottom were taken in the state I found them before I harvested. The tree had been uprooted through recent storms.

Such beautiful colors on the tree laying on the ground. What a pity

Hopefully you will get something out of it though

well it certainly looks like mimosa bark, so if color is an indicator (which.. it probably isn't, lol) that would certainly seem to be a good sign.

That's another thing I've noticed. I'd be curious is see if color is an indicator...it'd certainly make alkaloid hunting that much easier! However, the fresh bark was more of a grey/green, so maybe not.

Hi OEA,

SWIM has tried to extract off that crumbly bark, without success. It's almost as if that stuff is being pushed off the tree, like an old skin. While it probably does have something in it, the fresh, damp bark from trunks and big branches has been SWIM's biggest success! Sorry, tired to reply to your PM but couldn't. Long and Lat waiting for you!

Lamby

A little too late lamby! The extraction failed. Will be searching for some fresh burkitti bark this time, probably phyllodes would be better if I can get some. I'll have to drive inland to find any though, at least 3 hours travel time. Sigh.

At least my baby acuminata's are growing like crazy! (not really)

hi

I've tried at the beginning to make extraction from outer bark on old trees, the kind of bark which is cracked with years and completely dry: there is no alkaloids present there.

bark should be fresh an alive, color can be an indicator but it can vary with species. the most important when you harvest bark is to take bark which is still humid an soft. if it's dry and hard it's not a good thing.

On pictures, your bark seems to be cracked and hard, may be burn at some spot.
I recently harvest bark from a very old tree fallen during a storm. the bark was very thick with outer bark cracked and dry. My yield has decreased 33% IMO just because of this dead outer bark. The best is a middle age tree with not too thick bark. And if you find a fallen tree, you have to be quick to harvest the bark before rain or other drain the alk out from the bark.

Damn! I think Simplexus and SWIM agree. That outer bark is a pipe dream.

What tek are you using out of interest? A lovely brew of 1.8kgs cooks as SWIM writes.

Anyhoo, why not try a trip out west? As soon as I can PM you I can tell you exactly where you'll find manna from heaven on every country road. Talking with a pal, SWIM was told: anyone would be happy if someone came and removed a few hundred of those jam trees!

I could add a bit to this Wattle Day page in the section 'What do wattles mean to Australians?'...you might find something interesting here too.

I'm using vinegar/sodium carbonate/vegetable oil.

You don't know how much I envy you and your 1.8kg acuminata batch.
I could drive out to W.A. but it will take at least 7 hours by car. Think I'd be better off driving 3 hours to a location I believe is flooded with burkitti.

I've never removed fresh bark from a tree before, I always take the old stuff (I don't want to kill a tree), but it seems like my best bet. Can you give me some tips on how you harvest the bark? Do you take bark from the base or branches etc? What precautions do you take to minimize damage to the tree? Do you use a hunting knife or remove the bark by hand?

I personally use a short machete.
I cut quite deep until I found the inner trunk
after, that's very clear, bark is like a skin you can remove quite easily by hand and machete.

I did that on two acacia simplex, just enough to improve my extraction tek.
It was last year, trees still alive, a kind of new skin came instead of the one I took.
Now my tek is ok and hopefully I recently found an old tree, broken in two parts with storm and white ant action, still alive but surely dead in a few month. I took all the bark on it. I should have now more than 5 kilos

I will definitely never take bark again on a living tree.
Please take care of all those trees.
I actually grow 2 acacias simplex I will plant in nature in compensation of the two ones I harmed

Hey- I'm a new member and recent explorer of the strangeness of DMT- I want to be self sufficient but do not want to harm live trees. I am about an hour or so from Jam Wattle land and recently harvested a kg or so from some dead branches on a live tree and some bark off a well dead tree. I also maybe have a kg or so of phyllodes. I want to use q21q21's TEK to be all natural and safe etc (just waiting for my stainless turkey baster to arrive...) anyhow, have I wasted my time in your opinion with this? Have you some ideas what I can do with the phyllodes? Someone said they are not good for crystals...

OneEyeAscension, assuming you live in Adelaide.
Best of luck to you, I have made the journey, and mis-identified twice...a LONG drive each way for disappointment haha,

I would say to give it a shot and see what comes out of it. My extraction yielded trace amounts but the Jam Wattle is a different story considering its high alkaloid content.



Yeah I've misidentified twice aswell and chewed through way too much petrol for my comfort. Even going through all the effort to extract is a pain to have it all for nothing. Well I guess DMT doesn't grow on trees...but then again...

SWIM hasn't used phyllodes, as the Jams are so abundant. Having seen hundreds knocked over annually, SWIM doesn't mind using the bark of living trees. In fact, having tried to extract from fallen trees and bark and subsequently having no success, SWIM has no interest in attempting to use dead material again. Besides which dead and dried material is extremely hard to chop up...which might be the reason you are keen to use leaf material. Spice should be in the phyllodes, but you'd need a LOT to pull as much as you can from bark.

If the fallen branches have still got some moisture under the bark, that should be okay.

Also consider using a siphon, as turkey basters take a very long time and can drip and run and blend your separated liquids.

Please update!

RAL

Where SWIM lives, a 7 hour drive is considered de rigueur if going "to town". But yes it would be a disappointment to travel all that way and mis-identify.

Believe me, there really are gazillions of these trees. And they are prolific breeders.

SWIM uses very sharp, large size, limb secateurs. On the trunk use the blades on the bark to cut around the trunk about a centimetre deep. Then hold the blades open with point down and use them to flip out the bark at the cut line as one might use a paint stripper going down a wall. It sounds violent but it isn't. The bark should lift off fairly easily, revealing a yellow/light green inner core. Then just pull downwards and it will come off in long strips. If you pull carefully it will strip all the way to the earth. SWIM has used this method and the trees are still alive, so don't be too worried. One medium sized tree will easily yield 1.5kgs of bark matter, which you should cut into small pieces, and powder BEFORE it dries or it will be too hard to work with (SWIM has taken a few days to cut strips into smaller pieces and process, so one needn't do it all in one day). It will remain moist for up to a week.

If you still feel in any way that this is not a good method, and causes harm to the tree, many animals ring-bark trees. Sheep, goats, elephant, horses, even lions. In Africa acacias are ring-barked to make rope and kiondo. Humans harvest wood for construction all over the world on a scale it would be very hard to comprehend. I wouldn't be that concerned about this.

SWIM uses bark from trunks by preference, as it's easier to get big yields, long strips, and it is closer to the ground. Of course, if you are driving a number of hours you'll want to harvest as much as you can, so the big lower branches also yield bark in the same stripping method.

Lamby

Another interesting discussion on bark and phyllodes. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...;t=49435&find=unread

Thank you much for your reply. As a new member I am not allowed to PM. I also am new(ish) to DMT and I do want to extract using the food safe methods. The bark I got was mostly from well-dead trees. I did pull leaf tips (maybe a kg+) but have read elsewhere that someone (Fable) believed that crystals could not be obtained from the phyllodes- only 'jungle honey' could- what does that mean? Does that mean what residue I would be left with could not be vaped? I have a friend from Mora and he said the Acuminata are everywhere...he might be able to help with some fresh bark...