Hi everyone,

SWIM is super excited about joining DMT Nexus and looking forward to talking to many users.

SWIM is researching acacias and wants to know why most teks recommend only using the bark. If SWIM is taking plant samples would it be better to take and use the whole tree branch and not just the bark?

SWIM also respects living plants and only takes fallen branches.

Most teks say to use the bark because most teks are obsolete and dont respect the tree.
In Linked Thread you can see the twigs and phyllodes (leaves) can be pretty much as good in terms of yield, and mindful pruning wont hurt a tree, it can even help them.

well I dont live near an ecosystem where this plant grows. Leaves could cost too much to ship and have too low yields.
Bark can be harvested sustainably also but of course the optimal way is different.

Harvesting acacia bark from fallen trees wonk do any damage to living trees!

Personally, I am using MHRB for the year (or perhaps 2), whilst my acacia accuminata and floribunda grow in size
I`d suggest doing something similar, growing a plant that can provide you with a sustainable source of DMT in your own backyard!
I certainly can't wait to try and make an ayahausca style smoothies from the leaves in the future...since i`d never read of anyone trying such a thing.
The sooner you get started, the sooner the plant will be a full fledged adult

Acacia leaves can contain cyanogenic glycosides (cyanide)
Decocting the leaves evidently drives off the cyanide as a gas but a raw vegan ayasmoothie wouldnt have that... thats why eating the leaves kills livestock and why its used as a fish poison.

I`m sure there are some species of acacia which contain cyanogenic glycodies, but I thought neither floribunda and accuminata contained either. *shrug*
Can you provide a source regarding the cyanogenic glycosides ?

Its not something that has been heavily researched and even if one chemotype in one environment at one time tests as safe that doesnt guarantee the safety of all members of that and very similar looking species in all circumstances.
Decocting material out of an abundance of caution is a simple thing.

Thanks, makes sense that the whole branch / twigs would be a viable source and not just the bark.

^Blackout's points are good..

..the taking of acacia bark (trunk bark) causes irreparable damage to the tree...
it is not like mimosa hostilis..
even single strips of trunk bark can lead to eventual slow death of the tree..

so, taking of bark is not sustainable..

branch bark is a better solution..

however....
vineseeker wrote:
..in fact the phyllodes (leaves) of Acacia acuminata have 0.8-1.2% alkaloid..like a number of species as good as the bark..
..i've spent a lot of time in the acacia info thread trying to educate about the problems with taking bark..
and once you're growing them you'll especially appreciate why you don't want to take bark..just slowly wastes the tree..

From SWIM's experience, the bark (and bark matter) is easier 1. to harvest, and 2. to powder.

The inner stem of Acacia branches are very hard.

SWIM's preferred method is to remove the bark, down to the wet core (this can be from 1/4 to 1/2cm thick). It is fairly easy to harvest 2kgs from a medium sized Acacia. While those long thin strips of bark are still damp, trim to smaller pieces no longer than 3cm each. Once these pieces have dried out (two to three days) they are very easy to powder in a kitchen food processor.

The final yield is very good with lextek.v.1,(and without fretting over ph levels!).

In terms of respecting the tree...SWIM lives in a forest of acacia accumin, which are regularly culled to clear existing open land. SWIM feels they are better respected and loved in this way, rather that ending up in a big bonfire.

From SWIM's experience, the bark (and bark matter) is easier 1. to harvest, and 2. to powder.

The inner stem of Acacia branches are very hard.

SWIM's preferred method is to remove the bark, down to the wet core (this can be from 1/4 to 1/2cm thick). It is fairly easy to harvest 2kgs from a medium sized Acacia. While those long thin strips of bark are still damp, trim to smaller pieces no longer than 3cm each. Once these pieces have dried out (two to three days) they are very easy to powder in a kitchen food processor.

The final yield is very good with lextek.v.1,(and without fretting over ph levels!).

In terms of respecting the tree...SWIM lives in a forest of acacia accumin, which are regularly culled to clear existing open land. SWIM feels they are better respected and loved in this way, rather that ending up in a big bonfire.

if you can get other parts thats great but here there is no choice.
But i might go for mimosa if that is better for the plants.