Would it matter much if multiple caapi vines were used in the same session? As far as I understand it from the purely biobotanical perspective, the interaction is between the alkaloids in the plants, MAO inhibition, and DMT...

So if I were to use White and Yellow caapi together, along with admixture... would be the same effect, no? I'm only asking because I may have an opportunity to exchange the alicia spp for an actual caapi product from vendor, don't know yet. I guess the root question is would mixing vines "taint" the experience in any way, or would it enhance it? or is that a matter of perspective? without getting too philosophical about it of course

Also, I saved the remaining p.viridis (50g) in the fridge, should be fine? I felt like maybe I burned it at first, cuz it reduced kind of dark colored (was a light brownish tan prior to reduction), but after sipping it I can't say that it tasted burned, just tart and foul

Hey brother, so I'm stocking up in a few days and wanted to hear your thoughts.

I'm getting more viridis, and some chaliponga in case the viridis doesn't produce the desired effect.

In any case my question was about the vines/colors. How many different vines have you had experience with? So I'm thinking about buying red, and white. The red for healing, the white for conscious re-evaluation of hopeful changes in the right direction after the red vine experiences.

Does it even matter the color of the vine, as far as individual effects go? or is that just superstitious dogma? Red seems to be more oriented towards the roots, to me at least, which is where my issues lie. And as far as sense of white, just general color association tends to convey to me the idea of clarity. Or am I overthinking the details and reading into it too much? Thanks for the help btw, always appreciated

Was able to acquire 112g REAL black caapi, 1LB white caapi, and 1LB beautiful, fresh colorado caapi (looks stunning and delicious); all whole vines. The white and black vines look a little aged tho, but I figured I have way more than enough to make something happen, repeatedly if I need to. Also have 100g Chaliponga, and 212g p.viridis on the way.

Started the soak on the Colorado Caapi (McKenna strain, thank you kindly olympus mon for the recommendation, was truly a gift ) Glows a magical fluorescent green under black light, so there's definitely some mystery to this batch. Not sure when I'll start brewing yet, waiting on the p.viridis to at least make its way onto tracking, but will certainly be within the next day or two.

Soaking about 250g of the colorado caapi at the moment, most likely waaay more than I need, but this way I've got extra if I need it.


Question for the experienced; I've seen a mix of opinions on the amount of "light" vs. the amount of "power"... A strong caapi brew with a little light is seemingly reported to be deeper healing, and a moderate caapi brew with moderate light seems to be more of a visual experience. Now, I don't much care for the visuals, that's not my purpose here, I need to get deep into unconscious layers of memory, and my roots are rotten (went off somewhere in childhood obviously), energetically speaking... so I guess general focus being root chakra and expressions associated with it. That said, would it be best to go heavier on the caapi? Any experiential input? Thank you kindly!

as per the issues you wish to address, may i suggest you go into the experience with a few well thought out questions, as that may prove to be helpfull. i'm of the feeling that it won't really matter as the brew should bring it to the foreground anyway but perhaps being specific with it might help. all the best with that

my preferred dose is 100 caapi and 50 viridis. it seemsd some folk are more sensitive to viridis. i've heard a few on aya.com who only do 5g, or less, of maya's hawaian viridis...i needed 25g just to breakthrough with same material. i wouldn't do chaliplonga again, i don't think..., did it the first timwe i ever did dmt...100g caapi, 50 chacruna (viridis) and 25g chaliplonga. was a mistake, 12 hours no purge, near split me in two. i have found with caapi and chacruna that its very safe, all things consaidered, setting, contra-indications and diet etc..

brewing; i've only consistently broke through using the 4 x 9 hour crockpot wash for the vine with 1 teaspoon of white vinegar for the first 2 washes. thats the best advice i got from aya.com. for charuna i do 3-4 x 3 hour simmer with a teaspoon of white vinegar in the first one. i usually brew 2 doses (200 caapi and 100 leaf). i get "standard" leaf from maya cos i know what i'm dealing with.

i think one advantage to brewing large quantities (10-20 doses) is that its harder to burn whilst reducing. some say it can take vigourous boiling some say not. my experience is that always simmer to be sure and be very carefull of burning it at the end stage of reducing. theres no rush, do the last reduction very slowly. i think burning it ruins it.

as for dosage i know some shamans like to go vine heavy. its my experience that the vine is a more earthly physical experience whilst leaf is more cerebral (leaf/sky, vine/earth)- you may want/need some earth anchoring. i've heard high dose caapi is like someone sitting on you, a feeling of weight. so i suppose it depends on what you want to feel. i feel the purge also acts as a safety mechanism so when you've taken all you can you eject the rest. ime you can't go wrong with vine and chacruna. a little food with some ghee can start a journey sometimes.

i'm not what i would call experienced and what i've shared may only be relevant to me.

Thank you kindly for the reply, and for taking the time. As far as you being experienced or not, as long as you've had experience, and input is true to that experience, consider yourself qualified I am open to all other input as well tho, and I also understand what you are saying.

As for the brews, I don't have a crock put, but as far as just basic common sense goes, the shamans used to cook theirs on an open fire, so I don't see how "burning" it is that much of a risk as long as boils stay reasonable. Possible, I guess. In any case from my first experience with Alicia Spp on the cooking, I can tell that after the 3rd 3hr wash the water wasn't really changing much consistency (was practically clear) so I would guess I have gotten everything that I could out of the "bits".

I also do have 50g viridis brew leftover from last attempt, but not sure if that would be enough (and am unsure of the quality of the viridis, allegedly hawaiian, shipped from hawaii) visually-speaking, it's the same as every other dry leaf version of it I've seen, but I have no way to gauge concentration. So I was thinking it may be best just to wait untill I have over 100g and then give it a go, I've seen a 1:1 caapi to viridis combo be suggested as fairly standard, but I've also seen the variable self-dosing that you are describing down to even 10g being "enough" so I'll just sip it a bit at a time till I get desired effect.

And just out of curiousity, when you're referring to "maya" is that a specific vendor? tried googling but couldn't come up with anything. or is that a specific strain? The viridis I have on the way is from two different vendors, I figured one is bound to work properly. Thanks!

yeah maya is a vendor in the netherlands of high repute (not that i can't get quality in the uk)i think hes on aya.com and thats where i heard of him. very happy with the service and quality. no problem to the uk too (3-4 times). not sure if its cool to give the full name? i mentioned maya as ive seen them mentioned (abbv) here before. its their hawiian viridis that many say you should go easy on but maybe they're sensitised to it? from my experienhce caapi and chacruna is always safe, never too much but then i've never had shed loads.

by burning i meant at the very last stage of reduction when you have very little and it boils faster as it reduces...ive burnt a few there a couple of times, if not once . always on a stove for that bit not a crockpot. i may try putting it in a pyrex dish on low heat in the oven for the last bit of reduction. ive boiled mostly without a crockpot and broken through. yeah 1:1 man, go for it. a storm in a tea cup!

No need for the full name, I live in the US and have found a reliable vendor. Shipping costs and wait time to UK would be ridiculous, and I'm an impatient creature.

Lol thanks for the rest, I see what you mean by burning.

Another thing, anyone that knows, right now I'm soaking the caapi in water before I cook it (just cold water) If I choose to let it soak and saturate for another day or two, would it be ok to add vinegar to it now? or would that somehow promote bacteria growth and fermentation, and I should just wait till I start to boil it? Thanks!

Also meant to say 10g of viridis being enough, not mg, in above post. fixted

Ok, I am brewing up 50g Chaliponga (looks good btw, leaves nice and thick and air-dried it looks like) For the admixture.

The 100g of viridis is suppose to come in on monday, and another 112g the following week sometime. In any case, question;

Which tastes better? Chaliponga or Chacruna? And which one would be better suited for my purposes of unconscious/repressed memory surfacing? Would either one work? Is one better suited for the trip than another? Any basic difference between the experience of either one, or the other?

Thank you kindly!

By the way caapi brew turned out phenomenal, looks and tastes delicious (sweet and fresh) 1 accidental 6 hour low boil (fell asleep) turned out fine, one 5 hour boil, and 1 3hr boil, felt like I got everything.

hi, ime chali was much less playfull and more serious and alot stronger than chacruna. it has a certain persistence and drive to it..not that chacruna doesn't, i dunno, horses for courses but i hope the 50g chali admixture is not one dose though. i find chali can be overdone and its more white knuckle than anything else..thats from twice tho but also reading other folks experiences with it. some folk seem to prefer it but not sure if thats from the get go.

maybe a spicer could dive right in? with chacruna i find i can be giggling to myself as i pass through difficult stages, which is a cool way to heal. one site i used to visit recommended no chaliplonga till after your 5-6th chacruna brew. i suppose thats referring to a newcomer who hasn't done spice either maybe. sexual abstinence helps me with the experience too, makes it smoother. i only soak caapi overnight and i think i have used white vinegar but not everytime. good luck

Thanks brother. No, the 50g was not for one dose, just figured I'd make way more than needed, not to miss the train so-to-speak. Same for caapi, have 250g brewed, will sip my way slowly into the sweet spot

I guess I'll let cannabis decide whether I use chali or wait for viridis. Gives me the full-plate experience

Not a stranger to altered states by any means (shrooms, LSD + tons of other stuff), and meditation certainly helps, but first time with spice. Will see how the universe plays out I guess, much appreciated

Sooo.... I lived!

All I can say is it's unlike anything I've ever tried before, and was phenomenal in the subtle, yet effective perspective it provides into one's own life. Truly is an eye opening experience to another dimension of life.

I wasn't able to accomplish what I set out to do with the memory thing, but I think that's simply because it's not the right time yet... still some sort of internal resistance I haven't quite unraveled. But, it did give me more than plenty to work with

All in all, was a fantastic experience, had it's up and downs, but all I can say is just trust the natural process and everything else will turn out just fine.

Also a very interesting link I found that helped me along the way, read at your own risk
Medicinal and Spiritual qualities of Ayahuasca, and pretty much every other drug
Peel the Onion boys & girls


Thank you kindly, Nexus, for the wonderful experience and insights, you guys are awesome!~

glad it went well man

Appreciate it Is 25g Chaliponga enough for one dose? It's good quality

Dont drink 25g of chaliponga. Thats too much. Read the all about aya thread in the sub forum. It gives good recommendations for dosing add mixtures.

5g for some is a heavy dose so 25g is 5x that. Not good my friend.

Are you reading all you can B.C.? . Please take some more time and research more. I dont want to see you get into a bas situation.

Good to know, thank you!

25g of chali was what i did first time, with 50g of chacruna. the thinking being that if i have the ability to take large amounts of shrooms etc i should be alright here too, but its two very different things, as you may now know. suffice to say it was way too much (did no permanent damage though (for me)). what admixture plus doses did you use for the above? i'm a die-hard chacruna fan so will alwlways veer towards that. i certainly feel its the better one to start with; certainly safer and much harder to dose too high. that doesn't mean its not a very powerfull experience. its as strong as it needs to be in itself, which is very powerfull, just it seems to be able to do it with a smile. chali, used with respect, might be the ticket too though.

i've never used chali solely so perhaps not the best person to give a critique on it, but have done it twice and read plenty of trip reports. the reason gnostic garden (now shut down) used to recommend 5 chacruna brews first was that, supposedly, there is a permanent aspect of some kind with chali and so building upto it is preferred. they also mentioned that generally it was the shaman who did chali. i think there's a reason organisations like the santo daime only ever use chacruna, apparently (don't quote me). starting low sounds like good advice, but then you have to get it right...with 5g being too much for some, a few leaves here and there makes alot of difference. chacruna is way more forgiving, dose wise, atb

For the above I used 112g Viridis, and it seemed decent quality, most leaves were dried whole, not just flaky, brittle bits.

I do have more viridis... but man, that stuff tastes too foul for my stomach. I ended up losing it on a number of occasions in the beginning. Tho admittedly I did take one sip too many of caapi, so that was responsible for one of those purges.

I figured less is more, in the sense that I wouldn't have to intake as much or upset the stomach as much for the process. I certainly do see what you mean by viridis being more of a giggly goo tho

I was going to toss the chali in with the caapi this time, but I guess with the dosage being so variable and so sensitive, I'll just brew both separate like last time. Thanks guys

Oh boy... what to say? lol I don't even really know how to put it in words, no words really do it enough justice. Let's just say it was exactly what I needed, and the most perfect experience possible, all things considered. Gave me FULL detailed insight into every tiny little aspect of self, and I regained my long-lost unity Brought my diseased self (from wrong teachings and previous life misconceptions) back to natural existence, luckily nothing essential was lost


I can't thank you guys enough for this experience. Olympus mon, thank you kindly for the suggestions along the way, they were truly priceless.

thecrystalkid, thanks for sharing the experience brother, it gave me a rebound to gauge my own.

Everyone else, thanks for all input, and for sharing the journey. The Nexus, as collective consciousness of all it's little individual parts has truly been a blessing in immeasurable ways



One more thing, I noticed from my first brew that the problem with the purge was also the sediment... I drank both, so naturally part of it was rejected. So, to get rid of the sediment and perfect the brew, to make it more stomach friendly all I did was;

Boil Caapi (200g) for 9 hours on a very low simmer, all in one pot, same water, just hot enough to where bubbles break the surface, with a glass lid on the pot. Then strain through t-shirt, and condense down to drinkable amount... no sediments whatsoever on the caapi there, I feel like the sediment got cumulated because of the 3 different strainings... each strain becomes less efficient at filtering, or each strain somehow adds more fine particles, I dunno.... but one solid boil all the way through gets rid of all that nonsense. I also only used 1tbsp vinegar for the whole boil, more than plenty. I feel like maybe you're not getting absolutely everything from it this way, but the dose is more pure and easier to drink... I ended up drinking that entire brew, and it was perfect to me (keep in mind everything is relative, listen to your own body and find your own sweet spot, some people are fine with 50g, start low and work your way up from there, trust the natural process and don't be greedy, patience is key!)

As for the chali, I absolutely love it, it tastes a lot more natural than chacruna in my experience, without the sediment. I just boiled that one about 15g at low boil for half an hour, just like making tea, then tossed the leaves (strained through tshirt) and condensed down... ended up drinking about 2/3 of it and that was plenty (again, everything is relative, 5g may be more than plenty for someone else (or even 2g according to the aya sticky), start low and work your way to your sweet spot... I sipped my way to my sweet spot over the course of about half an hour)

Both brews turned out sediment-free and just perfect, honestly. I didn't need to finish the chali, but I did end up drinking all of the caapi. It's a VERY fine and delicate balance to get it just right for yourself, whatever your personal sweet spot may be, so just be patient, be very conscious and very respectful of this wonderful ancient medicine, and trust the natural process... if you do everything with full awareness and sensitivity to every aspect that comes up, you shouldn't have any issues.

~God Bless

So I'm brewing up a batch of the White Vine, and I threw in too much plant material (shooting for multiple doses to finish the work) and took a short nap, some of the water boiled down exposing the bark, and left the remaining concentration bitter-tasting. Does anyone know any handy tips or tricks to save the bitterness, reverse it somehow? I've added more water already. Or is it just part of the game at this point? Still have 6 hours left on the boil, so any experienced suggestions would help; any and all input is welcomed. Thank you


edit ~ turns out the reason for the bitter taste is because some of the older vine pieces had more bark on them than usual, have learned to accept the bitter aspects of life as well