So my first attempt was with 50g Banisteriopsis muricata black powder. Nothing happened other than getting the shits.

This go around I used 100g Banisteriopsis caapi whole yellow vine. I smashed it up really good, and did 3 boils over the passed 3 days. A lot of hours went into this brew. I filtered it very good and reduced to around 150ml. It was very thick, orange/brown. I don't know what all the fuss about the taste being so bad is. It was kind of like some eccentric blend of shitty coffee. Bitter, but really not gut wrenching by any means. 11:45pm.

Will post results tomorrow.

that is how i feel when i am fully maoi'd up (other than i might vomit)

Have you tried using the herbal percolator method (THP) described here? I have done 13 ayahuasca ceremonies, and I didn't start having excellent success until I read up on how people here were getting their caapi twice as strong, if not more with the THP method. I started out doing the classic 3x3hr boil, however THP method in my experience worked better and doesn't take as long either!

I just had the strongest vine experience ever, but with very old whole cielo vine. I use 8l of water for 50g caapi, and heat my water to 60'c, always testing acidity for ph4. Powdered heavily in a blender, and two percolators used if you wanna speed things up even more. Takes me around 5-6hrs to percolate and reduce with one percolator. I've taken 224g cielo vine off a 3x3hr boil and my current cielo vine in THP at 50g is stronger to me. I LOVE THP!!!

Not very good results again. No effect, other than some vivid dreams. I waited for 2 hours, felt nothing then went to sleep. At least I didn't get the shits this time

Vaast, what vender do you use? Can anyone help me out with a reliable supplier. Both my products came from the same place.

I will try again with that method^ and see what happens. I have about a lb of each left. Will try again sometime soon.

test out and see if your mao are inhibited enough to orally activate DMT.

every single harmala experience i had, i felt sober, until i used it to orally activate DMT.

so just because you don't feel anything doesn't mean it is bunk.

How are you filtering because IMO something is wrong? Unless your body has more monoamine oxidase than anyone I have ever heard of you should have been on your ass from 100g correctly brewed vine drinking sediment and all.

Did ya get all fancy with coffee filters, decanting and egg whites?

MAO’s and their inhibition are tricky biz Binary Drool. Through my ayahuasca journals, I have learned that my MAO needs a serious beat down for a ‘long’ open pathway. Now the ‘high’ that I get when I do vine only brew is not in comparison to a tryptamine high. It is more subtle and nurturing. Brewed right however, there are pleasant CEV and an elevated feeling of “Everything’s gonna be just fine”. I get some colour and vision on large amounts though… 200g+. I have extreme difficulty moving at all… even a turn of the head can produce nausea. I know that I’ve done my brew right when I’m waking up earlier in the mornings to come, and feeling much more positive and up beat.

I have tried the most common vine types out there. McKenna Red, Cielo, White and Black. Each time for me, the McKenna Red had the least noticeable effect. The white has a mild but very pleasing and healing effect for me. It’s very gentle and I’ve consumed over 200g in a evening. It’s probably the happiest vine out of what I’ve tried. The black is strong and has a similar effect to the white, but much stronger… nice though. My choice when I reach into my apothecary is whole cielo vine. 224g of whole cielo knocked me down hard, but gave me the strongest, longest lasting effect that I’ve ever felt. Multiple purges, both orally and rectally, and visions where very warm and jungle like.

My recommendation is that you try a whole vine. Cielo has always been good to me. I’ve always had success mixing the cielo vine with a little bit of black vine also, though the black vine I get is already shredded. The spirit within seems to be stronger in whole, self-prepared vine… or perhaps it just stores longer, I’m not sure.

Have you read up on dieta? Some take it very seriously, some not… I’m somewhere in between. Some dieta aspects that I would have laughed off earlier have proven to be important to me for a successful vine ceremony. When vine’s comin up, the wifey’s cut off and there’s no self-lovin!! Lol.. laugh as I know you are, but times that I’ve caved, my visions have been very low and sometimes non-existent. Ecstasy before ecstasy makes ecstasy dull .

As for doses… caapi only brew in the jungle can be consumed in excess of 500g, depending on where you read. 50- 100g opens the pathway for my chaliponga brew, but doesn’t produce a strong effect on its own. 200g+ does though.

This again, is just my opinion developed from my own ayahuasca journals. What works for me, may not work for you. Write down everything... look for patterns. Always diet properly when dealing with MAOI’s and ALWAYS have a sitter who is trained well!!!

Good Luck

you should read this thread if you haven't already:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/d...aspx?g=posts&t=47207

Yes! Awesome thread. Patterns for me definitely show success when dieta is in place... jiggy-jiggy = no trippy-trippy