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I read somewhere that science cant prove how our body loses 21 grams when we die. Some people say we just havent figured it out yet, and some say its the soul leaving the body or the spirit. Since DMT makes us believe we leave our body, i wonder if we lose 21 grams of mass. Anyone know of any studies or reads about it?
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 "No, seriously"

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That was just a form of bad science: http://rationallyspeakin...oul-weigh-21-grams.html
Rationally speaking wrote:This is an excellent example of where pseudoscience and belief go wrong, on a variety of levels. Let us start with MacDougall's claim itself: it turns out that his data were decidedly unreliable by any decent scientific standard. Not only was the experiment never repeated (by either MaDougall or anyone else), but his own notes (published in American Medicine in March 1907) show that of the six data points, two had to be discarded as “of no value”; two recorded a weight drop, followed by additional losses later on (was the soul leaving bit by bit?); one showed a reversal of the loss, then another loss (the soul couldn't make up its mind, leaving, re-entering, then leaving for good); and only one case actually constitutes the basis of the legendary estimate of ¾ of an ounce. With data like these, it's a miracle the paper got published in the first place.
Second, as was pointed out immediately by Dr. Augustus P. Clarke in a rebuttal also published in American Medicine, MacDougall failed to consider another obvious hypothesis: that the weight loss (assuming it was real) was due to evaporation caused by the sudden rise in body temperature that occurs when the blood circulation stops and the blood can no longer be air-cooled by the lungs. This also elegantly explains why the dogs showed no weight loss: as is well known, they cool themselves by panting, not sweating like humans do.
Third, MacDougall's allegedly inescapable conclusion (“How other shall we explain it?”) did not derive from any theory of the soul, but was simply arrived at by excluding a small number of other possibilities. In other words, the soul “explanation” won by default, without having to go through the onerous process of positive confirmation. This is yet another version of the “god-of-the-gaps” argument so in vogue among the faithful, and that constitutes the backbone – such as it is – of Intelligent Design “theory.”
Of course mass media loves to pick up things like this since it attracts site traffic. Thus this myth keeps spreading far and wide along the "wo do not research our own stories" media. You know, the same kind of media that keeps having 'quality' reports about DMT 'lab busts'. Kind regards, The Traveler
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Thx traveler for clearing up this one.
Anyway: what else could it be than this: death causes a vacuum in the body after which anti matter (21 grams) get pulled in trough the anus?
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Jees wrote:Thx traveler for clearing up this one.
Anyway: what else could it be than this: death causes a vacuum in the body after which anti matter (21 grams) get pulled in trough the anus? The matter/anti-matter contact will cause a violent explosion. With 21 grams of antimatter you are getting an explosion equivalent to about 902 kiloton of TNT (about 56 times the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima). So I guess that is no valid theory as well.  Kind regards, The Traveler
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The Traveler wrote:Jees wrote:Anyway: what else could it be than this: death causes a vacuum in the body after which anti matter (21 grams) get pulled in trough the anus? The matter/anti-matter contact will cause a violent explosion. With 21 grams of antimatter you are getting an explosion equivalent to about 902 kiloton of TNT (about 56 times the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima). So I guess that is no valid theory as well.  ( Insert Cataclysmic Fart joke here) Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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cyb wrote:The Traveler wrote:Jees wrote:Anyway: what else could it be than this: death causes a vacuum in the body after which anti matter (21 grams) get pulled in trough the anus? The matter/anti-matter contact will cause a violent explosion. With 21 grams of antimatter you are getting an explosion equivalent to about 902 kiloton of TNT (about 56 times the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima). So I guess that is no valid theory as well.  ( Insert Cataclysmic Fart joke here)  INHALE, SURVIVE, ADAPT it's all in your mind, but what's your mind??? fool of the year
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The Traveler wrote:...The matter/anti-matter contact will cause a violent explosion... Cyb wrote:(Insert Cataclysmic Fart joke here) Image of a dying person:  That's how we become "A Star" after death. (it was not meant to be, it's just a side effect)
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