Most of the Changa Guides recommend a 1:1:1 Harmalas: DMT:Leaf and some go even higher on the harmalas. But I've read a few post where the ratio question is posed and allot of answers say 150mg harmalas to 1g DMT 1g Leaf.

Is this a preference? Some guides and topics are dated so it's hard to know if understandings have changed. I'm confused about how much Harmalas to add. I'm asking about extracted harmalas. Not Caapi leaf or enhanced Caapi.

Thank you.

its personal preference, you can just make several batch's of different strengths and see which one you prefer.

Do a 1:1.

150mg harmalas to 1g dmt? That's pointless and not even changa really. Where did you read this recommendation and are you sure you read it correctly? You mentioned reading multiple answers recommending this. Make sure your reading it correctly because 150mg of harmalas to 1g dmt wouldn't be noticed.

smoking around 5mg harmalas from rue is pretty noticeable for me. 150mg per 1g of DMT would be more than enough. Actaully one small bowl of rue(like 10 seeds) is enough at times to cause some tracers when smoked for me. I really cant understand how some people here can smoke doses like 25mg, 50mg etc of harmalas. I have been unable to freaking move with crippling nausea and heavy tracers from smoking maybe 15mg once. Are the people who smoke such large doses talking about caapi alkaloids?

I think it was Dennis McKenna who said that technically 1mg smoked should be enough to synergize vaped DMT. Johnothan Ott in his research with snuffed trptamines found around 5mg harmine to be enough to synergise the tryptamines and increase the potency significantly..and harmine is much more active when vaped compared to snuffed.

Thats not the case for me then. I cant feel noticeable effects less than .3 harmalas to 1g dmt. I find it hard to believe anyone would feel 1mg. No way.

They were all post on the Nexus. No one gave reasons for smaller amounts and none of the post were as thorough as jamie's reply. Just people asking about ratios and different people responding.

I can't find them all but here's some quotes.






Here's a link to a post with information on Harmalas https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=441349#post441349

Here's another interesting topic on the matter of to much Harmalas that I didn't see before. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=24854


I guess the more I look I get the feel that it is a personal preference but there are some generally shared opinions like Harmalas give a more Ayahuasca type feel and less visuals. But there aren't allot of details given. Like are people separating Harmine and Harmaline.

I was planning on using mostly pure Harmine to avoid the sedating effects. I guess personal experimentation will yield more answers.

Thanks for all the replies so far.

"How much MAOI could be contained in a few puffs of a changa joint? While the leaves of Banisteriopsis caapi generally have a higher concentration of harmala alkaloids than the vine, they nevertheless may only contain 0.28-0.7%, or about 3 to 7 mg of MAOI alkaloids per gram of dried leaf.4 Using one recipe's suggested 50% B. caapi leaves plus 50% DMT (by weight), this adds up to only 1.5 to 3.5 mg of MAOI alkaloids in a one-gram joint-and changa is frequently diluted further with other herbs that don't contain MAOI chemicals.

Few people smoke a gram of material alone. If a changa joint is split between three or four people, then each person is getting, at most, one milligram of mixed harmala alkaloids. Justin Case ended his description of this smoking blend with the statement: "The degree to which [Banisteriopsis caapi leaves] can prolong the effects of DMT must be experienced to be believed." Could such a minuscule amount of harmala alkaloids really cause so much potentiation?

I asked Dennis McKenna of the Heffter Research Institute if he thought the trivial amount of harmala alkaloids likely to be present in most changa could possibly inhibit enough MAO to influence the DMT effects, and he replied:
I am not too surprised that it works; because although the amounts of beta-carbolines being absorbed may be small, they are directly absorbed into the brain, and given their potency [...], there is probably enough to transiently inhibit MAO in the brain, temporarily partially inhibiting metabolism of the tryptamines.5
In his bioassays of snuffed 5-MeO-DMT, Jonathan Ott characterized 10 mg as his "threshold dose" of that tryptamine, and in three experiments he found this to be significantly potentiated when combined with 20, or 10, or 5 mg harmaline hydrochloride, "irrespective of the diminishing dosage of harmaline-that is, even the minimal dose was appreciably as effective as the maximal in this regard."6 One might wonder if he would have found 2.5 mg an equally effective potentiator? Or half that much again?

Drawing conclusions based on different routes of administration (insufflated vs. smoked) can be problematic. Nevertheless, Ott's snuff findings may provide additional support for Dennis McKenna's speculations on changa's method of action. Erowid looks forward to learning more about this intriguing approach to smoking DMT."


http://www.erowid.org/ch...s/dmt/dmt_article1.shtml


That pretty much mirrors my experience anyway.

Thank you nodestar for the links. Interesting. I agree with your statement that it must be personal preference. I understand that I really like heavy harmalas it seems much more than most. My body it seems to also handle high doses and not get negative effects others report. I dont have an issue with as high as 25x enriched caapi in my changa but can't smoke that more than a couple times in one sitting or I do then feel sick.

I think the other thing is yes low harmalas can have an effect on the dmt exp but for me low doses don't add what I enjoy about this combo. I like the change is effects you only seem to get with .5 to 1 and up.

I guess I don't see the reason to use haramals or changa in such small amounts. I wouldn't bother if it was me and I didn't like the changes in experience. Id just use FB infused with leaf since harmalas or not infused leaf is soooo much easier to administer

Thanks for the info Jaime.

The first Harmalas batch is still extracting. Why do the harmalas make it harder to administer?

Sorry it was late when I typed my reply and I'm spending too much time on computers these days.

I meant that even if a person didnt want harmalas they should still infuse their dmt in leaf because its so much easier to breakthrough/smoke opposed to freebase.

Harmalas do not make it harder to administer.

This is pretty much my experience as well. People do react differently, of course, but generally I'll use 300mg per gram of DMT. When I dropped the amount of harmalas to 200mg per gram I didn't notice much synergy.

Maybe try vaping some harmalas on their own to see how they effect you before deciding how much to put in a changa blend.