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#1 Posted : 9/16/2013 4:54:05 AM

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You've done it. You've experienced it. You certainly have contemplated it. So what is it?

I know this question has been posted many times before in one form or another, so pardon the redundancy.. but what do YOU think hyperspace really is. Do you THINK you know? Have a guess? Be specific.. "it's another dimension or it's just a chemical reaction in your brain" just won't cut it.. dig deep.

WHAT IS IT?????????
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#2 Posted : 9/16/2013 6:03:52 AM
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DMT never ceases to amaze me, and I have no idea how such a simple molecule could induce some of the experiences I have had.

Unrelated but I was working with acacia changa tonight and I had my first breakthrough involving insects/mantis like creatures. It seems like a common theme but it was definitely different than the sorts of experiences I usually have.

That's what I like about DMT, you never really know what you are going to get. In my case at least!
 
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#3 Posted : 9/16/2013 1:56:41 PM

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Trying to understand THAT with your brain is like biting off a piece of Saturn with you mouth.

So instead of answers, i will drop some more questions.

What is it NOT?
Where does it begin/end?

And the most important one you should always ask:
Cui Bono?
 
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#4 Posted : 9/16/2013 3:08:56 PM

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Note: My perceptions change very often as I evolve and change as a person. What I will be typing in simply my current view as of now. Later it will change inevitably and I would appreciate respect when it comes to my perception. Thank you .

I believe it is some form of infinity. Whether it is the infinity of the mind or the universe or both I can't say. It could be an after life realm or it could be the imagination of an insane person.

It is a place where you are taken out side of yourself only to look into a cosmic mirror. For you to say to yourself : Boy am I a horrible person. Then when you realize that you are indeed a horrible person Razz then you can work on changing those negative things about yourself.

I believe it is a tool of destruction or evolution. It can make you go temporarily insane but can also show you the most clarity this side of the grave has to offer. It can be the most divine place filled with angels or it can be a hell filled with demons who only wish to harm you, sometimes for the bettering of yourself, but not always.

This is all I can think of right now; To go beyond this point would be to transcend words and language and I am still trying to learn how to do that outside of Hyperspace! Heheh!
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#5 Posted : 9/16/2013 8:48:50 PM

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#6 Posted : 9/16/2013 8:57:24 PM

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I have a few ideas, some more likely than others.

When thinking about consciousness, I use a model where the reality that we perceive is a simulation produced by the brain, whose job it is to take sensory data and use that to modulate the simulation. In our case, that is mostly through the use of eyesight, but any sense can be used to produce our mental model of reality. For instance, bats use echolocation to see the world and so might perceive their environments as a 3D world much like we use vision.

So, when we take psychedelics, my intuition is that we are modulating the way the brain operates, such that it produces a slightly altered simulation of reality. On DMT, the function of the brain is changed so much that the mode of operation completely shifts, producing an entirely different simulation of a different reality. The mode of operation is defined here as the connections between neurons and how they are firing, as well as the source(s) of sensory data.

The question then becomes, where does this alternate mode of operation come from? Is the brain perceiving a very real alternate reality that isn't normally accessible, or is the DMT state purely a manufacture of the brain. It's very tempting to think of the DMT state as a freestanding reality because that is how it seems, but I tend to think of the brain as unreliable in that respect and so I remain skeptical. In addition, there isn't any known physical explanation for such a phenomenon so I consider it to be unlikely.

Though, I did have one experience where I met some DMT aliens and they were trying to tell me the true nature of their reality. They showed me a picture of our galaxy, showing how it is embedded in dark matter, and said that their reality is one of dark matter (which is around and through and in us at all times but non-interacting). They said that when you take DMT, it provides a way for consciousness to bridge from one reality to another. It seems unlikely to me, but could be a physical explanation for the DMT experience.

If the DMT experience is purely a product of the brain (which it most likely is), it then begs the question, what drove evolution to build this very unusual reaction to DMT into our brains? Most psychedelics simply modulate sensory data, altering our perceptions of normal reality. However, DMT seems of a different character, and seeing as it is the only endogenous psychedelic (as far as I am aware), I would wager that the DMT experience has evolved with us and is not some sort of physiological noise.

The DMT experience doesn't seem to have much immediate value for survival, and so it is hard to say how such a brain state could have evolved. It would be very interesting to see how far back in the evolutionary tree animals were affected by DMT by testing close relatives (apes, primates, mammals, etc), so that we could maybe pinpoint a time when the experience evolved. If apes are affected by DMT in a similar way to humans (though that's hard to test), then the DMT brain state is probably much older than sentient thought. That would be very strange indeed.

Hopefully we'll know some day.
 
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#7 Posted : 9/16/2013 10:09:17 PM

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DeDao wrote:
Note: My perceptions change very often as I evolve and change as a person. What I will be typing in simply my current view as of now. Later it will change inevitably and I would appreciate respect when it comes to my perception. Thank you .


^^^^ this. Exactly!!!

My model of understanding is on its version 6.0 and counting. The one thing that has changed as well is my feelings that it doesn't much matter. I don't spend as much time pondering as I used to.
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#8 Posted : 9/16/2013 11:09:19 PM

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this experience is a part of your life.

..so live it.

simple as that.
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#9 Posted : 9/17/2013 5:01:38 PM

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Thanks for the responses, very nicely put Arcologist! You touch on the point that our brains are either the product or receivers of the experience and that is clearly THE big destinction. There is a reat deal of support for the latter, being that our reality is made up of light, frequencies and energies... of which matter is a product of. More and more I believe our brains are much more like a receiver than we think. I can't help to wonder if DMT simply shiifts the brain to another frequency, like changin the radio channel from here to holy shit.

Imagine you knew nothing about computers and you saw a cat on the screen, you'd say to yourself "what a cute kitty" (iven you like cats) and then think nothing more of it, but behind that image is a whole lanuage of 0's and 1's with a continuous stream of information making that cute little kitty visible.. to me it seems like DMT lifts the vail and allows you to "see" the code and those beloved codemasters at work.

Something like that at least.... Very happy
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#10 Posted : 9/17/2013 5:28:24 PM

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arcologist wrote:


The DMT experience doesn't seem to have much immediate value for survival, and so it is hard to say how such a brain state could have evolved.


I wanted to address this point specifically. The DMT experience seems to enhance and modulate pattern perception and recognition. It brings acuity and clarity upon studying the natural world, even in low doses. It is possible that this enhanced pattern perception could be useful in terms of survival from noting different patterns of food source or detecting predators or prey. There have been times where I feel like I can hear conversations all the way at the end of my block because my hearing has been elevated. The light in the room becomes supersaturated. I'm sure dilated pupils at night to take in as much light as possible would be helpful in hunting situations (and avoiding predators) as well.

At higher levels, the enormous range of visions can do any number of things from increasing empathy to help in overcoming certain fears and anxieties in terms of things like death and losing control, etc...and I think that these factors increase survivability through promoting more peaceful kinds of behavior. DMT has given me full-out lessons and demonstrations in racism and other societal issues.

Many of us also feel that we (from time to time) have healing experiences from DMT ranging from psychological to physiological ailments. Even if placebo plays a large role here, it is irrelevant because it still has a positive effect. What I am pretty sure is not placebo, from my own personal experience is my irritable bowel syndrome. I have incredibly painful cramps all the time. When I get even a little bit of DMT in me, it all instantly evaporates, and there's no other modern medicine that I know of that has that capability. We also know tryptamines can play a role in modulating cluster headaches. By relieving these stresses, and reducing anxiety, perhaps an argument could be made that it increases longevity. I believe DMT does have some kind of place in survival.

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#11 Posted : 9/17/2013 6:06:59 PM

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I wasn't saying that the DMT experience doesn't have utility (it certainly does, as you describe), but rather that because DMT is only present in such low levels (at all times, as far as we know), that it wouldn't have any effect on normal reality and therefore no effect on genetic fitness. It could be that endogenous DMT has the side effect of enhancing consciousness in some way, even though it doesn't have any psychedelic effect at these low concentrations.

I'm tempted to connect DMT with the development of human creativity circa 75000 years ago at the Toba supervolcano genetic bottleneck. Perhaps a mutation occurred that allowed DMT to enhance our brain's ability to think outside the box. However, there is no evidence for this and it seems unlikely since unrelated animals (i.e. rats) also have endogenous DMT.
 
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#12 Posted : 9/17/2013 11:25:21 PM

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alert wrote:
DMT never ceases to amaze me, and I have no idea how such a simple molecule could induce some of the experiences I have had.

Unrelated but I was working with acacia changa tonight and I had my first breakthrough involving insects/mantis like creatures. It seems like a common theme but it was definitely different than the sorts of experiences I usually have.

That's what I like about DMT, you never really know what you are going to get. In my case at least!

Mantis like creatures ?..This sounds like an interesting experiance..


Might i ask how much ..[acacia changa].. ..or mgs of dmt it took you ..to break through?
And was the break through much like a mimosa dmt experiance?
 
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#13 Posted : 9/18/2013 12:01:52 AM
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starway6 wrote:

Might i ask how much ..[acacia changa].. ..or mgs of dmt it took you ..to break through?
And was the break through much like a mimosa dmt experiance?


80mg of 1:1 acacia confusa extract:marijuana inhaled in one hit. So, 40mg of DMT/NMT combo.

It was noticeably different than mimosa and I actually think I enjoy the acacia more. I was still having OEV's 30 minutes after my dose and the come-up was noticeably slowed down compared to smoking pure freebase -- it actually felt like there were some harmalas in the mix. Also, no carrier wave for some reason; this is a phenomena I *always* experience with mimosa. No auditory hallucinations at all with this mix.

The peak wasn't that different from mimosa (minus the insect entities) but the duration and come up were noticeably different. I also noticed on the comedown from the acacia breakthrough I got extremely tired/relaxed almost to the point of falling asleep. When I use mimosa extract I feel very "up" after the trip rather than the mellowness felt with acacia.

The changa was made with clear goo from acacia that had undergone a sodium carbonate wash as well as recrystallization (before melting back into goo).
 
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#14 Posted : 9/18/2013 12:52:51 AM

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So the trip felt more comfortable than straight mimosa?
Was there strong CEVs alo?
Thanks much!
 
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#15 Posted : 9/18/2013 1:27:10 AM
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Yeah, for me it was more comfortable than mimosa for sure. Definitely strong CEVs as well, I kept my eyes closed for about the first 15 minutes and at first it was just a bunch of beautiful fractals then they started expanding into infinity and became interwoven with these multi-dimensional spinning boxes and then suddenly that's when the mantis entity arrived.

When I came down I couldn't help but thinking how special acacia was. I got excellent sleep that night as well and felt great in the morning, I am and insomniac and I rarely get a good night's sleep!

I had been considering using dry ice to precipitate the NMT out I decided I'm just going to keep it full spectrum -- it really is beautiful that way.

 
 
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