Hey guys hows it going,

So i have never tryed DMT and heard for a good starter dosage is 15mg, so 3 hits of 5mg each ( Enough to not be able to pick up the pipe amd breakthrough I heard). But I was wandering if doing it all at once out of a good device is safe or hard to do. Becuase i have never tryed it before so it might be hard for me to keep hitting it while im tripping out on the effects. Also just like when I started to smoke weed i didn't know what it tastes like and have never had it in my lungs so I won't be ready for the intake and might not get it all and cough it all out, ( So pretty much a waste).

I am asking this question to see if this is what happens to you and I need to practice smoking it for awhile, or if taking all at once might not be that hard.

Thanks!!!!

I personally have taken 35mg doses all at once, but this was in the glass vapor genie so idk about the sandwich method out of a bowl. I think to breakthrough you certainly want to take in as much as you can is as little time, so a bong would be best I believe if you don't have a vaporizer. Also you may want to keep extra plant matter to a minimum as this just increases the amount of extra smoke you have to inhale making it more difficult to get that dmt to hit.

I personally need at least 20mg to breakthrough, taken in one hit is best.

Ok well thanks but its my first time so maybe i need less? Also is the some not harsh because ts vapor, amd i know the more you do it it gets easier. However do you think my first time full hit will be hard.

Forget the 3 hits nonsense, for maximum effect you want to get it all in 1 hit, if your a smoker this should be easy.

If you vape crystals properly they are very smooth, if you infuse into something like mullein it is also smooth.

15mg is a fine starting dose.

Get to it

Thanks that helped, and i stopped smoking bud over a month ago, so i dont smoke anything now but i bet it wont be hard. Also my supplies are coming soon so i dont have an extract yet but just wanted to know before hand.

Its best to get it all in one hit if your trying to breakthrough. But i like to take a low dose first, and then a few minutes later take the breakthrough dose in one hit.

With a good smoking device and technique you can take 50mg in one hit or more (although one would rarely if ever want to, its way more intense than taking 50mg in 3 hits)

Thanks for the feedback, im deffinetly not going to do more than 20 my first time.

I second or third taking it all in one hit. DMT seemed very smooth and that shouldnt be a problem. The taste really grows on you, lol. Ive tried mullien seperately and it also was very smooth on its own.

Im no expert, really only having 5 experiences but the time I did break through was when I took someones advice in a post here and just loaded the pipe with 100mg. It turned out there was stil 2 more hits in there AFTER the first very intense one so the person who I followed seemed correct that I would just hit untill I got what I wanted from it in the first hit and wouldnt end up using the whole 100 mg anyways...? I had tried up to 50 mg without breaking through previously but in this case it seemed like 33 mg should have been a good hit for me (100mg/3 hits). Maybe it was my method that was faulty the first few times, being a beginner but I was still no stranger to vaporizing vs smoking. I used the other 2 hits left in the pipe during the same session a few minutes later having 2 more smaller "breakthroughs" and extending my trip.

damn it seems like you took a lot, was it quality DMT and did you extract it?

You can just toke it, stay sub breakthrough. But if you get a bit of a surf, it's not exactly amazingly pleasant. Better to try and break through in one hit i feel. I smoked a 0.04 - 0.06 and to be honest, there's always some left over. But the biggest hit i can take is usually modus operandi. But i probably inhale quite a bit getting a good smoke going before i hit it. misspent youth hitting bongs tho, i can hold quite a lungful.

as far as i know the only people who ever got into trouble for going too far were doing it intravenously.

You can definitely over do it just by smoking. Personally I weigh every single dose I take because I had an extremely difficult trip a couple years ago from a large eye-balled dose. You don't need to use a needle to get a very hard hyperslap.

Haha ya good point, i ordered a scale to help me out th extractions and smoking the spice

I extracted it myself but it was also quality dmt. The Dmt I ended up with was comparable to pictures and sounded like alot of other peoples here by sight and feel. The quantity that was extracted were diminished, not the quality. lol. Im not blowing my own horn though.

I found a post by OM here in this forum as a sticky that explained taking hits from a pipe with 100mg to start out/ breakthrough.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=37220

A 100mg isnt needed of course. smaller amounts will work but until you get better at vaping and your smoking technique it is a good way, I think, to make sure that you do get a good taste of the DMT experience. It isnt a waste either I dont think just because what was left in the pipe was still enough for 2 more hits after the first.

yup well thanks for the link, I learned a lot. And will most likely use some of those methods. It also got me interested in CHANGA!!!

Im glad I could help in any way.

Changa is simplicity itself. No technique necessary.

But I still tend to choose vaping pure spice over any enhanced leaf method more often than not. If you are extracting yourself, then supply is not an issue and you can keep vaping until you have had enough. A single gram of DMT is more than most people will be able to smoke in quite some time TBH.

Granted, some of us can polish off a gram in a weekend of madness, but far more people extract a bunch and then realize after 2 or 3 blast offs that they need to process what happened for at least the next 6 months. Many people do DMT once and never again.

You seem like a conscientious cat; I am sure you will figure it out.

The problem with basing your concepts on what you hear from others is that DMT is very rarely predictable or reliable. The doses that are needed can vary wildly from person to person... and even from the same person from day to day... or even on different trips on the same day.

The Universe will show you what it shows you. I have broken through profoundly on micro vapes... and taken down mighty xtals with rather mild effects. The worry of not getting enough is generally coming from people who actually don't extract and probably bought or were given a rather limited supply... and want to get all their friends high too. If you extract even a weak yield from inferior material, you will have plenty to play with.

Have fun.
HF

Thanks that gave me some good insight, I only have 100g of MHRB and will try to get at least 2g from it if I do it right. I am not looking to share with anyone just doing this to try DMT. I also want to experience vaporizing spice first before Changa.

Why would you choose vaping spice instead of an enhanced leaf? Do you notice a difference between the two?

Anyone here will tell you you must absolutely do it all in one hit, no looking back, just consume, consume, consume until you can no longer, no more.

@ alert - I suppose it is a matter of preference. I was vaping before changa was created. The differences are minor in terms of effect IMO. The DMT overpowers anything else in the mix, but you do notice a "coloring" of the pure spice high by using other psychoactive herbs. People use lotus flowers, salvia leaves and whatnot and that definitely has an effect. I prefer the OG changa of caapi leaves, mullein and DMT... a bit of mint perhaps.

Harmala infused changa is easier and more consistent than vaping pure, but it also changes the experience a bit for me. Stretching it out a little and giving it that aya tinge... which is really cool of course if that is what you want. I am avoiding combusted smoke in my lungs at the moment, but I am not anti-changa.

When the first people I knew to make changa introduced me to it, I was in love. (I even know a guy who swears he came up with the idea.) It was epic and I was sure it would be a revolution in spice. But like many such revolutions (hydroponic weed, candy flips, mxe, 2cb etc.), I eventually decided that the original was still the best. And that these new things might even be dangerous.

When I want an aya experience, I take a huasca preparation. If I want a longer DMT flash I insufflate it. (frequently my ROA of choice) For me, the beauty of vaping spice is the intensity and the short duration. 5 min of total Hyperspace immersion rather than 15 of merged Hyperspace and reality.

In the end I thought that the ease of changa, making it easier to consume in riskier situations... and the tendency to not just sit there and go with it, but to smoke changa spliffs while walking in the woods or puff bowls while out and about, leads to more dangerous possibilities. Changa brings a less conscientious demographic to spice. DMT had been the kind of thing you had to WANT to do and having some hurdles to get to hyperspace seemed... well, right. Having someone pass you a spliff and only realizing after you hit it what it was is becoming an increasingly common story for first experiences. Also, the number of people blasting off on cliffs, next to rivers and on the beach is exponentially increased now. It is rare, but you do hear about tragic accidents.

Who knows? My feelings on it vacillate and I still make changa. Easier doesn't have to mean bad, and everyone deserves the chance to experience this stuff... and we all know 99.9% of people are not going to be trying to extract it themselves. (dumping lighter fluid into jars of PH tweaked soup just smacks too hard of meth shake and bake operations and requires a geek factor that is not universal by any means)

Man... I guess I derailed this thread big time. Oh well.

HF