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this thread rocks!
i think Phalaris is the way of the future..

below are images of Phalaris arundinacea growing in the UK..i saw lots of it while there..all over the place..!
selected strains of other Phalaris will grow easily in that climate..

and there are plenty of seed/plant suppliers there e.g. http://www.cheviot-trees...halaris_arundinacea.html .. http://www.jacksonsnurse...undinacea-var-picta.html ..as well as in Europe and the US..

though, if you want guaranteed high yielding varieties you'll need to find an entheobotanic supplier..
AQ1 or Big Medicine for high DMT, Turkey Red for 5meo..
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Hey there guys. Hope im right here this is the nicest internet forum i have found so far and i just love to read.
SWIM did his first extraction ever on P. Arundiacea wildtype A/B extration. Including one naphta wash. And he is not sure wether there was a outcome of it. Naphta freezer pulls where done and one could see some white dots that disappeared first when naphta got discarded maybe it dissolved back on the small naphta droplets on the glas dish. After drying a razorblade was used to scrape up the now almost invisible to the eye white spots. It looked like "fibre crystalls something" what swim scraped up. It did not melt after putting the razorblade 4seconds 1 inch away to a normal lighter.
Swim is stupid as hell so he put it in a bong and smoked a tiny bit on some dry parsley.
Something went straight into his head but was not a clear fealing more dizzy which went away after 1 hour.
Can the pH be too high with the lye or too low with the acid cooking?
Swim whould love to work and help with the way of the future research.
Swim whould be glad for any help and advices.

Is anyone growing phalaris grasses indoors?..of any of the high alkaloid strains/species? Noone really talks about indoor cultivation of the high alkaloid grasses.

I have just started some arundinacea from seed and have AQ1 and Big Medecine plants on the way which I intend to grow under a MH light with some other plants... not there yet, but as long as I don't kill them all, lol, I'll update as it goes.

Can you harvest and dry to save for later use or do you need to use I fresh? I've read conflicting info and was curious if anyone had luck drying it and using it later.

Kinaam if it does not melt and smell massively of fruity tryptamines I would not try and smoke it.

I have high alkaloid aquatica var aus, Turkey red, Big medicine, Yugo red and some common aquatica outdoors..but I also have some aquatica var aus indoors under fluorescent lights as an experiment. I only started the indoors about 10 days ago from seed but they are a couple inches tall night now..maybe 3 inches tops I dunno.

To have a big indoor patch going under lights or even just in a window cill going all winter would be good. I think my grasses outside will go sort of dormant outside till march or april.

I dunno how this will work indoors but I should probly get a fan on them for an hour a day also to fatten up the blades as it matures.

Hydroponic or aquaponic grasses might be good to explore.

I have harvested both of my outdoor aquatica strains twice this summer so far. I froze it so after 2 more harvests or so I will try extracting.

Both the common aquatica and Australian high alkaloid are hardy plants it seems. I am infinitely more happy with aquatica than I was with brachystachys in terms of vigor and yield of grass. Plus the aquatica is not an annual.

It is likely you smoked an extract high in beta carbolines. That could potentially make you feel dizzy. Maybe some weird tryptamines were in there like NMT analogues that cause some dizziness too who knows.

Kinaam, we can speculate a lot but until you do at least some preliminary testing, we cannot have any clues. It could be it's only weird potentially poisonous alkaloids (gramine and it's analogues), or might be some mix with some tryptamines, or who knows.

Ideally you should look into TLC (pm me again in a couple of months for more info), or at least purchase some ehrlich and marquis reagent at dancesafe or bunkpolice or similar places, to test your extract before smoking. Then you'll have a bit more idea what it contains

Im cohabiting with my gurus Mr. Brachystachys indoors. They grow directly into bags of earth hug by large garbage bag. They're pretty resistants to bug - high humidity - cobweb, even if you cut the entire plant, with enough light they will grow back. But I've seen phalaris go to flower after the 3 little first leafs or turning to flower after a light trim of hair. Hardy spirits most of the time.

I've seen online that brachystachys dont do runners well it's kind of a lie, they grow in patchs but once in a while they'll pop some fresh kids 2,3 or 4 inch away from the ''patch''.

Phalaris is the way of the future for you need a bit of material. But it is the Way.

May you all be peacefully meditative as Master Brachystachys !

Much love

Kohan..welcome to the nexus..


..they are probably very suited to this..i haven't heard of this but it is a good idea..

Thx for the welcoming, kinda honored to be Here

The most difficult part with phalaris indoors is making viable seeds, even with the light time shift. For that reason i've began working with outdoors just this month or so. I've move outside my ex-roommates, still no result yet, autumn will tell. Hopefully i'll plant some more next spring ! Brachystachys is annual + seed are expensive, might turn to high alkaloids cuttings if i can find some up in canada, borders don't like live plants if i can remember.

Much love to all !

So i found alot of interesting stuff about phalaris alkaloids as well as their correlations to environmental influences in scientific papers. I just need to know weather how much i can copy paste from them in here. Interesting stuff was like there is either much gramine and almost no dmt or inverse but there is much much more scientific information out there i have acsess to but also have people near that are specialised in "grass " science. Just have time in a week or so to do some extended research.

paste away!!!
citing sources are encouraged, so post as many links as you feel relevant.

Check out the phalaris analysis thread linked in my signature, I have quoted and referenced some of this information in the first post, maybe some of those publications are what you came across? And yeah def its a good thing to post good information and sources

so would, say letting some big medicine go to seed ruin the alk profile of the planted seedlings?

also, has anyone tried something along the lines of a hippy salad oil tek for phalaris extraction? i think grass + lime + vinegar + oil + alcohol = spice sounds quite sustainable and cool in many ways
benz said it would result in fairly clean spice, if salted and defatted; or something like that

If you were to plant the seeds they would not have the same alkaloid profile as the parent big medicine, but I don't think letting the plant seed out will change the alk profile of the original clone at all.

Yes, if you check out the second post in this thread, Hippie Salad Oil Tek v. 2.0 you will see a detailed description and photo journal of a (mini) extraction on phalaris big medicine. TLC analysis results suggest the end product is really quite pure N,N-Dimethyltryptamine.

If the seeds dropped you would contaminate your garden with a different grass and alk profile. Thats why its important to be up on it and not allow invading weeds or seeds to fully form. So when you harvest its as close to 100% what your growing.

"TLC analysis results suggest the end product is really quite pure N,N-Dimethyltryptamine."

Yes but from what I have been recently told, the effects from 15mg of a purified extract from big medicine were far weaker than what 15mg of pure DMT from mimosa would produce..so what is going on there?