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hello everyone,
i'm involved in college and have been on a hiatus from most drugs other than the occasional marijuana smoking. i was wondering if drugs like hallucinogens would be ok to use recreationally every so often and if they would be more or less harmful than marijuana. it seems that when i do hallucinogens including marijuana i am less apt to be productive in my studies.
has anyone had to deal with this issue like me? i would be glad to hear any input. thanks.
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I'm in the same boat. Logically, the best way to be consistently productive would be to abstain from any drug that reduces productivity. When it gets down to it, Its not the drug use that is becoming the problem. Its the behavior associated with it. Marijuana for example, greatly reduces my motivation. If my mind is set on smoking pot, or drinking beer, or eating various psychedelic drugs. I'm simply not going to have time or the required effort to complete my work. If my mind is set on something else, school related, I can still take drugs and not loose my focus. (Coffee for example.) There have also been plenty of times ive dosed small amounts psychedelic drugs alongside, but I wouldn't say it increased my productivity, just gave me a different perspective of it. I'd say keep your focus on school, and not drugs. Easier said then done, though. Expect nothing, Receive everything.
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abstain from hallucinogens if you want to graduate  I would be careful with the powerful things, they do not mix well with repetitive learning and social standards or anything that they teach in school. CAREFUL you might DROP OUT  AND TUNE IN  "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Albert Einstein
"It's very, very dangerous to lose contact with living nature."
Albert Hofmann
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It depends too much on the circumstances and individual differences in how they react to and use things to give a straight yes or no answer. I don't get much done in college if i was smoking weed everyday. But I did take psychedelics once or twice a week for well over a year while in college, and got good grades. I also micro-dosed harmalas almost everyday for a year and a half while there. Some people are the opposite, and are more productive in school while using marijuana everyday. But yes in some ways the psychedelics definitely made me more acutely aware of the ridiculous aspects of the education system. It was more about healing/exploring though than recreation (but thats not to say it wasn't fun :] )
<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
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You'll probably be ok if you can control your drug use and not let it interfere with your studies. There is nothing inherent to drugs like weed/DMT that will cause you to do poorly, it's just how you yourself approach them. I just started graduate school here and I smoke weed everyday, almost all day, and do DMT around once per week. It hasn't negatively affected me yet, and I'd say it even helps me cope with the stress involved.
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No, no, no, brah--you got it all backwards. Drug use IS "higher" education. *rimshot 
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Culture is not your friend and the education system is designed to put you into that culture. FUCK the systems!  Quote:
What civilization is, is 6 billion people trying to make themselves happy by standing on each other's shoulders and kicking each other's teeth in. It's not a pleasant situation.
And yet, you can stand back and look at this planet and see that we have the money, the power, the medical understanding, the scientific know-how, the love and the community to produce a kind of human paradise. But we are led by the least among us - the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary. We are led by the least among us and we do not fight back against the dehumanizing values that are handed down as control icons.
This is something, culture is not your friend. Culture is for other people's convenience and the convenience of various institutions, churches, companies, tax collection schemes, what have you. It is not your friend. It insults you. It disempowers you. It uses and abuses you. None of us are well treated by culture.
Yet we glorify the creative potential of the individual, the rights of the individual. We understand the felt-presence of experience is what is most important. But the culture is a perversion. It fetishizes objects, creates consumer mania, it preaches endless forms of false happiness, endless forms of false understanding in the form of squirrelly religions and silly cults. It invites people to diminish themselves and dehumanize themselves by behaving like machines - meme processors of memes passed down from Madison Avenue and Hollywood...
- Terrence McKenna
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Albert Einstein
"It's very, very dangerous to lose contact with living nature."
Albert Hofmann
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vineseeker wrote:Culture is not your friend and the education system is designed to put you into that culture. FUCK the systems! +1 Karnov wrote:No, no, no, brah--you got it all backwards. Drug use IS "higher" education. *rimshot In all seriousness, I'm speculating in a similar manner. In the future, when we live in a post-scarcity world and everyone can live their lives instead of earning a living, I think that there will be universities or programs therein solely dedicated to learning more about the experiences of particular drugs. Imagine something like taking 15 credits in the oral consumption of Salvia with 100 other people at the same time. That would be really interesting  "As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved." - Christian AndréasonDude, that blonde girl is a total DMT/10.
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i want to thank you all for your comments. i was pleasantly surprised by the responses i got and enjoyed reading them all. thank you for your input and support in my endeavors. i aspire for higher education and spending time finding myself. again, thank you for your support.
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When I was in college I used recreational drugs liberally, of all sorts. yes, they impacted my studies, but honestly the classes I found interesting and thoroughly enjoyed I still found the time for and had great grades (in those particular ones)
The thing about marijuana and hallucinogens, at least for me, is that they generally lead to more artistic expressions, which tends to hinder the logical and memorization development aspect (so things like higher level mathematics or classes like biology/orgo where a good bit of memorization of terms/material is required is dampened)
I'm not entirely sure if a synthesis of both is possible, since you have classes in college that you must take regardless whether you like them or not in order to graduate, so the attention span and desire for that work can also be reduced if you choose to indulge in psychoactive substances instead of completing work for those classes.
Best advice I have to offer is if you use, do so sparingly and responsibly during the times that you know your schoolwork would not be interrupted or negatively influenced (like during breaks/vacations)
Just use your own awareness and good judgement and you'll be fine
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I've been a heavy cannabis smoker for most of my life and despite that I have always done very well in my studies, straight A student, deans list, and the like; mostly hashed completely out of my gourd.  I do find my psychedelic use does kind of naturally dwindle when I'm focused on school, but I still do use them when the conditions are favorable for it and in no way have they been an impediment to my academic pursuits. Many college students spend their weekends getting boozed up. I find ayahuasca more conducive to my own personal relaxation style. I guess it's a very individual thing but all in all I would say cannabis and psychedelics have in no way sabotaged my pursuit of higher education, if anything they have actually improved my focus on and commitment to this path.
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/lsdmthc. wrote:hello everyone,
i'm involved in college and have been on a hiatus from most drugs other than the occasional marijuana smoking. i was wondering if drugs like hallucinogens would be ok to use recreationally every so often and if they would be more or less harmful than marijuana. it seems that when i do hallucinogens including marijuana i am less apt to be productive in my studies.
has anyone had to deal with this issue like me? i would be glad to hear any input. thanks.
Take it from me, quitting marijuana is the single most greatest asset to your education, although I was baked out of my mind for every test I took in high school and college, thinking back now I wonder how much better I could have done without it. Despite, graduating as an Accountant, and having honors (in almost everything) going into my diploma exams. It never stopped me from doing all the advanced courses. I feel education is a waste if you don't actually enjoy what your doing and if your not doing it with a clear mind than your not doing it properly. Psychedelics are a great addition to your studies, but pursue them when you have free time and all your homework is done, they are great for cluster headaches, and letting loose and forgetting all the bullshit you have to process in the meantime, and leaves you in a state of grace. Marijuana is less productive, trust me, I was baked everyday for 10 years straight, and now being clean, I wonder how much more I could have and will achieve when I have the money to go do Engineering and Quantum Physics within the next few years. I squandered a 150 point IQ on drugs and partying, although curing my mental illness's social anxiety disorder and OCD, I can't imagine how great a career I would have had, but I wouldn't have met my beautiful husband, wouldn't enjoy physical labor and fitness, and I certainly wouldn't be any fun would I?
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