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How to seperate Harmaloids from MHRB-Alks if they acidently mixed?! (in aceitic acid) Options
 
Bud Shizzler
#1 Posted : 9/6/2013 11:06:39 PM

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Oh shute, one morning i woke up to a small catastrophy, feeling active i had done some work late at night after a bottle o wine (won't do that again for sure, so please dont feel the need to point that out, work is done sober) and must have accidently combined a concentrated dmt holding ~10% aceitic acid flask with one from my Rue Extraction from the day before. I was shocked. Now i'm wondering what would be the best way to seperate the alkaloids...

Either via pKa or via Manske, or via NP Solvent i figured, so a lot of questions arose:
If Harmaloids precipitate earlier than dmt, one could try to hit the point in between while basifying, filter the crystals for a raw seperation like in the rue teks. But the pKa numbers are 7.7 (Harmine) - 8.8 (DMT) - 9.8 (Haraline) so dmt is in the middle of an allready thin line (assuming one has no digital pH Meter, only strips) to realize and a lot of work.
If I understand the teks right, haramaloids precipitate in cold NaCl-saturatet acidic-aquaeous-solution, so one could try to then decant the acidic water with the dmt BUT i fear that the dmt will somehow stick to the Harmaloid Alks or solidify itself.
Last but not least, i found myself hoping that maybe, just maybe, no rue-inhabiting substance would migrate into the naphtha. In that case i would base to pH 14 and do normal pulls.

Thanks for your help
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#2 Posted : 9/7/2013 12:19:13 AM

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Easier to just base it and pull with naphtha or similar non polar, which will not dissolve harmalas. Repeat a few times. Then just filter to retrieve harmalas.
 
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#3 Posted : 9/7/2013 1:24:19 PM

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Do a manske on the harmaloids/dmt solution after dissolving in water with an acid, then collect harmaloid hcl alkaloids, and basify water.

Pull with you choice of nps, and salt/freeze-x as you so choose.
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