I just did some test extraction recently to see the viability of this method. It's just one more idea into developing teks with different household chemicals. It isnt supposed to substitute other teks, just checking out another option. The more methods we have to extract (and the more varied plant sources) the better. They cant hold us down

Preliminary results seem good, but analysis will be done in the next couple of weeks.

Here's the sum up:

-Mix Mimosa powder with excess sodium carbonate, add water to make a paste, spread it in a wide dish and let it dry.
-3x pulls with 95% ethanol, filter the pulls
- Evaporate the ethanol
- Redissolved reddish/brownish wax in warm white vinegar, filter it.
- Mix the vinegar with excess sodium carb, spread it on a plate and let it dry
- Pull with ethanol again, filter, evap

This could for sure be cleaned up further by repeating the redisolution in vinegar, basing and repulling, (or with any number of classic clean ups like re-x with other solvents, etc, but the idea here is to use these limited chemicals). Ill leave the clean up for a later date when I have time.


I got a product that is yellowish waxy crystals with some darker parts, strongly smells of DMT. I vapped 10mg and its definitely DMT and active, but there is most definitely something else in there (plant oils? What else?) because I got a too large yield (5% or so).

This will be analysed by GC-MS and TLC in the near future, results will be posted.

That was a test extraction with around 25g to see if it works, and it seems it does indeed.. So if you have nothing but high proof ethanol, vinegar and sodium carbonate (or bicarb, which you can turn into carbonate), you can still get some DMT.

Here's the picture of the product:


PS: Ethanol used was drinkable grain ethanol.. Do not use denatured ethanol as it has unwanted substances that may be toxic.

Nice! The quality isn't bad considering the materials used. Cool experiment.

In theory, this method should work well with phalaris grass with an added defatting step correct?
& could a high proof drinking alcohol be used considering in many places alcohol past a certain purity is illegal and/or extremely hard to come by?

Thanks for the interest At first sight it seems quite ok quality, but of course its hard to say until analysis is done. In any case notice I did only one round of the process, Im sure that redissolving in vinegar, filtering, rebasing, repulling and reevaporating would yield a significant cleaner product.




What would you defat with?

And also, gramine and hordenine, according to merck index, are very soluble in ethanol, and we can suppose other alkaloids such as potentially toxic gramine alkaloids will too... For phalaris extraction I would use room temperature limonene as a solvent, such as in BLAB/Q21/Amorfati teks... Or naphtha if you dont mind using that.

Edit, regarding drinking alcohol, what im using is drinking alcohol, but I guess you mean something like vodka or similar? Maybe you could dry it as much as possible with magnesium sulphate and try to use that.. Its worth a try with a small amount of mimosa at least

I like the idea of this tek a lot. Been waiting for those with more chem experience to weigh in on it. Thanks for your efforts endlessness

Thank you endlessness.

This is very important work! Amor fati and q21 have given us fine teks that avoid petroleum products....now we definately could use a workable tek or two that uses ethanol as the solvant--for obvious reasons (looming police state, major ecological crises).

This one sounds almost too simple and good to be true...looking forward to a bioassay of higher dose.

Would it work to use isopropyl?

I would suspect so.. Its worth a try if thats what you have around, with a small amount first.

This is excellent!
Is "Washing Soda" sold in supermarkets pure Sodium Carbonate? Have to check.
Using this extraction method, could you use NaOH instead of Sodium Carbonate?

Yes you can I think. I have done something similar with iso a few years ago as my first extraction on mimosa. Does pull some more oils but still easily pure enough for breakthroughs.

I boiled the rootbark in vinegar and water though first..and then evaporated the tea, scraped it up and mixed with sodium carb and pulled with iso..filtered out the stuff that would not dissolve and let it dry..then dissolved in iso again and filtered..works for changa.

Superb work endlessness. Kudos to you. And a pretty picture

How long were the ethanol pulls, and was there any heat or agitation involved?

Also, once the DMT acetate is freebased, is it still hydroscopic?

In his thread "Acetates, the solution to all needs DMT" - https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=10674 , q21q21 Said

He recommends evaporating the vinegar with heat breaking acetate bonds to yield a freebase, saying and

Others claim this method of freebase conversion (heat assisted evaporation) leads to superior yields.

As to what all else is in there; we've just gotta figure out what all in MHRB is soluble in Ethanol, and vinegar (which supposedly pulls around 97% DMT related compounds, above).

-lorax

In the thread lorax started with the info above, Noman chimed in saying

Endlessness, you agreed with burnt when he said Jungle spice dissolves in alcohol, and it looks soluble in vinegar as well* so there is probably jungle in that there spice.

I read that tannins are soluble in both alcohol and vinegar; so that is probably a portion of your final product as well. A first step of washing the MHRB in an acetone defat step to remove the tannins might mean a more pure spice. This may slightly lower the amount of jungle spice in the final result, as I think the jungle spice may be slightly soluble in acetone.

I was also thinking about something and then read it here, what do you think: -JanissaryJames, https://mycotopia.net/fo...tek-no-use-lye-read.html

I've also read somewhere on this forum "that dmt tannate is not as soluble in alcohol as is dmt freebase" and so doing the vinegar soak before basifying and pulling may increase potency of the final yield.

Blessings.

*-q21q21, "Don't evaporate your solvents - Avoid grossness in your spice!" - https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=13975

can one use mgs04 on 151 (thats as strong as everclear here is anyway) filter solids then use this instead of purchased high grade ethanol?

furthermore is it edible without laxitive effects?

Thanks! The ethanol pulls were maybe an hour long, i dont remember exactly. No heat, occasional shaking everytime I passed by the jar. In the way I made the freebasing of the acetate, it hard to say if its still hygroscopic because the sodium carbonate excess absorbs any moisture..



The problem with this method is that its based on theory that the acetate evaporates off, which im not sure if its proven. Also, often vinegar has other impurities that arent just acetic acid and that may not evaporate off. Amor Fati has extensively worked with this method and in the end he decided to stop because he started feeling somehow sick from the effects of smoking this converted acetate by boiling off. He felt there was a lingering taste that didnt feel healthy (which I guess it either shows not all acetic acid is boiling off, or something else in vinegar remains). Personally I tried this method once and it still smelled somewhat vinegary (or at least not freebase-like) even after a long time. So I opted for the other technique

As to what all else is in there; we've just gotta figure out what all in MHRB is soluble in Ethanol, and vinegar (which supposedly pulls around 97% DMT related compounds, above).



hmmm, thanks for this, I have the encyclopedia in english version (2005 maybe?), I will check if it still says the same.. The problem with Christian Ratsch is that there's some dubious and/or badly referenced material in the encyclopedia, so unless he mentions the sources for the info, it's kinda hard to just take what he says at face value. Thanks for pointing it out though, I will certainly check it out and compare with results of my analysis.



Thats interesting and I will keep this in mind, though of course if the person knew they were consuming a different product, its hard to know how much is self-suggestion and how much is pharmacology and different alkaloid profile at work.



Yeah, jungle is mostly DMT with a small amount of other alkaloids, which I think might indeed also be there. Im curious as to what analysis will show. It might take around 2-3 weeks for GC-MS and a couple of months for LC-MS work.



Possibly but I think using sodium carbonate would change this, im not sure if tannins would remain. We need someone more chem-savy to let us know.



Im not sure of this chemical reasoning. I would have imagined sodium carb paste would have freebased all DMT and made it soluble in ethanol. Maybe someone more chem savvy can give their feedback



Im not sure how effective magnesium sulphate is for drying wet ethanol. I can imagine it will take some of the water and then you can decant away from the wet MgSO4, but I dont know if any remaining water will stay and if this remaining water might even have some of the MgSO4 dissolved in it, which would end up in your final product. In any case, lets say, even if you dont dry it, I think it will still work, with the difference that your final product will always carry some sodium carbonate and some sodium acetate or other water-soluble salts formed in the freebasing process. Then you could theoretically use some water to dissolve the sodium carb and other salts and leave the dmt freebase behind (or use some dry acetone or another solvent to pick dmt and leave those salts behind).

Thank you so much for your replies; I just have one more question before I fade into the background: might this tek work for Cebil seeds as well? Indicators point to yes; but I imagine there's only one way to find out if relatively pure bufo-spice might be had this way as well...

Oh how the simple things are the most exciting. The floor is (all of) yours.

Blessings.

Can anyone here still tell me if this method would work just as well
if instead of Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Hydroxide is used as a base?

And Endlessness;
Have you already tried determining a break-through dose of this
Ethanol-Vinegar MHRB extract? Would be interresting to know.

Also, after you've cleaned the extract up further, by redissolving
in vinegar, basing & pulling with Ethanol several times more,
do report back here and let us know if the cleaned up extract
is significantly more potent than the initial, impure extract.

SKA, unfortunately I only did the extraction with a test amount, not enough to play around and clean up/bioassay too much...

GC-MS results show it to be basically DMT with very little else, so thats a victory.. But from GC-MS I cant see if there's sodium carbonate excess, which im pretty sure there is, but that is easy to clean up (dry acetone/IPA to dissolve DMT and not sodium carb, or dilute sodium carb wash to pick up sodium carb and leave DMT behind).

Do experiment if you can, and let us know


flickedbic, yeah but I doubt you'll get anywhere near pure bufo with this, bufo is a bit trickier to clean up. Which doesnt mean it wont be usable, people have been smoking crude bufo extractions (doing something similar but with dry IPA instead of ethanol) with success.

Thanks endlessness, this method is invaluable.
Especially since I've noticed that obtaining Di ethyl Ether
is becomming more difficult where I live.
Also Ether is quite pricy.
Ethanol can quite easily be home-brewed and destilled.

I'm affraid an expansion of the war-on-drugs is the reason that,
first some years ago the Drug-stores suddenly stopped selling
the 100 ml Di-ethyl Ether-bottles they used to sell and then
maybe 2 years later the Holland (or Belgium?)-based online drugstore
that used to sell 1 liter bottles of Di-ethyl Ether also suddenly
removed it from it's webshop-products.

So this Ethanol, Sodium Carbonate & Vinegar-extraction method came
just in time. SWIM's next MHRB-extraction will defenitely be done
using this new method.

Nice. Def purer than SWIM's spice made the same way but with IPA.

Great work Endless! As soon as I finish converting some sodium bicarbonate to carbonate, I'll be giving this a shot.

How much ethanol did you use per pull?

Before I try, can anyone chime in on how this tek might go using acacia?