FastFred is the man.

I didn't even want to comment on this thread, talking about using aluminum as a disposable smoking method because it is so frowned upon and hated. I still would like to know a more disposable smoking form. The technique does waste, but not by that far. Anyway, I have to be done with this topic...the GVG folks!

Peace!

All the more reason to discuss it.

I"m sorry but i can"t help but take one more bite of the apple.

Melting point of aluminium = 660c + bic lighter max temp = 1977c. The possible result of this equation is molten holes in your aluminium foil. Molten aluminium must give off fumes?? It may not give you alzheimers but it sure ain"t good for your health.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15887519



I will say no more on the subject.

This is SWIMs "shotty bottle" it is essentially a soda bottle with the down pipe of a bong with the head removed(the metal thing wedged to it is a lighter guard is to stop SWIMs finger getting burnt).
He places a small amount of tobacco in the tube. Then a small amount of weed, then spice and finnaly a big chunk of weed on top as a flame brake. You can then cream it slowly, vaping the spice and burning the weed untill the Cherry(burning meterial) can be pulled through by sucking hard(like taking a deep breath).This causes the cherry to almost Pop straight down into the water and most of the smoke to clear almost instantly.
It can be hard to master not splashing water on your lips . But having the ability to pull all the spice in one hit makes blast off almost guaranteed for SWIM.
If you need to you can throw the bottle out and stash the tube in with a tool kit or some junk in the garage.
(sorry for the state of the bottle it needs changing)

I think having this hashed out online can only help people make a more informed decision. There's risk to everything, so estimating the risk/reward ratio requires a logical basis.

Almost everything will give off some fumes when heated to any extent. There's bound to be some contaminants that will vaporize at lighter temps and they could carry some Al with them.

But Al is a very good conductor of heat, and if you heat a spot on a sheet of foil I've never seen it actually melt the foil. Smaller pieces can certainly be melted, but it seems to me that all the DMT would be long gone before a lighter could possibly melt the foil.

The proportion of exposure, if any, also would seem to be very slim. There are after all people who spend 8 hours a day standing near huge crucibles of molten aluminum. From the article you posted it seems that SOME of these people may end up showing some vague respiratory symptoms like asthma and bronchitis. It also implied a dose-response relationship, but didn't seem to control against regular dust, which is well known to cause these same symptoms.

Dust is bad for your lungs, aluminum dust may even be slightly worse. I just don't see doing a few foilies being a significant source of Al dust or Al intake in your daily life.

If you're concerned about your Al content, there is hope though. I read some new research which shows that drinking silicon-rich mineral waters can cause you to excrete double the Al in your urine. The subjects drank "up to 1L each day" of "Spritzer mineral water". This doubled their Al output, which then usually tapered back off to lower than starting levels by 12 weeks.

See... "Silicon-Rich Mineral Water as a Non-Invasive Test of the 'Aluminum Hypothesis' in Alzheimer's Disease"

It should be mentioned that the study was very small, and funded by Spritzer.

Disclosed conflicts of interest aside, it seems like a decent study that will probably be followed up on.

Damn Higgins, you've been putting that thing to good use! Haha

Thats what happens when your flatmate leaves his at a friends for 2 weeks (shes a one man kinda bottle)ive now changed it

For less than ten quid/bucks you could build a machine...



Until I can finally have enough spare cash for a GVG I have not yet found a better delivery device.. The whole thing can compact down and be very easily stashed/transported.

Only downside is you need 2-3 tokes to take a good 35mg dose, unless you have leather lungs the size of Uruguay. I reckon 20mg can be done in one hit though by someone who can readily take a lungful.

Also use a torch lighter personally with this.

I swear by, using a proper lab grade test tube (medium) and the proper rubberised stop. With a rubber drill bit drill two holes in the top and slide in a 90 degree glass tube (for your mouth piece) and a straight pipe(the breather). You have unlimited capacity to fill the tube, it's safe proper high heat resistant and food grade lab Pyrex and is also perfect for beginners such as my self because as it melts the smoke equalises out in the tube and doesn't go everywhere and you can take it in pretty much one big hit. I got all of my stuff from a local supplier but have been told eBay is an option for the components.

This was recommended to me from an experienced person, I'm an absolute beginner but don't think I will change from this set up. It was highly stressed to me to ensure the quality of the equipment to be lab grade, I am unsure of potential heat effects to rubber or glass if it is not lab grade.

Excellent method! Test tubes are cheap and disposable, and your stopper rig can be reused for a long time.

TIP: Freeze your stoppers as cold as possible before drilling, it makes things much easier.

I tried the test tube thing plenty of times before, did not drill holes into the stopper, just put the rubber stopper on, lit underneath. Not much smoke arose, and the effects were very minimal. Is it because there was no hole, or carb?

Cheers I never thought of freezing it that's why I primarily stuck to cork. Cork is great font get me wrong but after a few times in the heat and as it ages it crumbles. It's cheap enough to replace though so I suck it. I'm also unsure in how great over time the hygiene factor of the curl would be.

Forget the Alluminum foil method: It is both a horribly INEFFICIENT way of smoking DMT &
terribly UNHEALTHY for your lungs.


I'll repeat this again and again.
My personal preferred method is quite simply rolling joints of Tobacco & Cannabis with DMT sprinkled ontop
all over the length of the joint. Then I add a little extra topping of Tobacco & Cannabis to Sandwitch the DMT.

It may be a quite wastefull method of smoking DMT, but it IS very efficient. A few deep drags, held in the lungs
long enough will very quickly cause amazing breakthrough experiences. I personally can get into an immersive, 15 minute
DMT experience from only 1 or 2 proper tokes of such a joint.
Despite the downside being that alot of DMT vapor is lost this way, the enormous upside for me is that it allows for
great control of intensity.
Like a Dim Switch, I find the DMT-joint enables me to carefully control the
dosages and thus the depth of the DMT experiences. This I much prefer over loading up Pyrex pipes with DMT,
vaping & inhaling it and never getting the depth/intensity quite as intended:
The one time you get FAR more DMT-vapor in your lungs than you intended,
the next time you find that you're hardily getting any DMT in your lungs at all (allthough you packed the pipe for QUITE a magnificent journey)


But then again I guess this method is only reasonable if you have kind of an abundance of DMT laying around.

hello SKA,

how much magic do you put in a joint?

I find that hard to determine since I don't own a proper miligram-sensitive scales.
So I have to eyeball the dose. Trial and error.
I take a given amount of spice(about the volume of a Needle Pin), put it a joint & smoalk it.
If I found the effects too mild for my liking I'd double the dose(2 "needle pins" and so on.

A very crude estimation for the amount of spice I would put in a joint to smoalk all
by myself would be about 2 to 3 needle pin-sized heaps of spice, which could range from
anywhere in between 50 and 130 miligrams.

But then again I am more sensitive to DMT than most other people I have smoalked it with.
So determining the best dose of spice for in your joint is something you may have to find
out for yourself, by means of trial and error, increasing the doses untill desirable effects are reached.


Another great thing about the DMT joint is that if you find that you accidentally loaded
WAY more spice into it than you intended to smoalk, you can just take a few tokes, breakthrough and lay down the joint in an ashtray. It will go out and be waiting for whenever you want to smoalk it again. I found that this way, with extremely high amounts of DMT in the joint, I could smoalk 3 tokes, travel hyperspace for 15 minutes and then slightly come back to baseline. I could then immediately take 3 proper tokes again and repeat that cycle to stay in hyperspace for up to 45 minutes or even an hour, with brief pauses of consensus reality in between.

cheers SKA, ive never got on with DMT in joints at all but if it works for you then crack on

OP was definitely a troll imo

Re: aluminium toxicity, One article of many