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Energy healer says drugs will make me schizophrenic Options
 
PocketLady
#21 Posted : 8/31/2013 10:07:18 AM
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Vodsel wrote:
obliguhl wrote:
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Some crackpot is telling you...
Why the need to belittle therapeutic choices?


It's not about belittling therapeutic choices, it's about being careful with fear-mongering advice that invades areas beyond the therapist specialty, whichever that is.

Is that healer a neurologist with psychiatric knowledge? Does she have details about PocketLady's family mental illness history, if any? I'm presuming to answer to both is no. And even if it was a yes, claiming that ingesting a psychedelic will cause schizophrenia with no previous clinical condition is eerily similar to many baseless claims we've heard in the past about psychedelics.

I would listen to an "energy healer" for everything related to energy, auras and whatnot if I was interested in it. But I would take very carefully other diagnoses or claims. Specially when they make good money and say "I can patch you up, but don't do drugs, come with me instead."




Incidentally on my first appointment she told me she had worked with young people who abused drugs in the past (pretty sure she mentioned mental illness too), so she definitely had something against drugs. I told her about my experiences with mushrooms and how they had helped me on my path but she said it was one thing to take things like mushrooms and ayahuasca under the guidance of a shaman who could "protect" you if anything bad happened (entities etc) but it wasn't safe to do on your own.
 

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#22 Posted : 8/31/2013 10:15:52 AM
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Nathanial.Dread wrote:
How old are you?

Schizophrenia tends to manifest itself between 18-25 years of age. If you are older then then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even if you ARE the right age, I wouldn't worry too much. I have heard that heavy psychedlic use can precipitate temporary periods of psychosis, but I've never heard of anyone who was permanently damaged by the experience.


I'm 27 so I guess I'm just outside the age range. Like I said I've never had any hint of schizophrenia/psychosis etc and there is no history of mental illness in my family. I guess it doesn't help that my friend had a psychotic episode from cannabis earlier in the year (she ate WAY too much and really flipped out and thought her boyfriend was trying to kill her, woke up the neighbours at 2am etc and ended up in hospital). She was back to normal the next day though.

I had almost gotten over this whole episode in my life, and it doesn't worry me too much when I do mushrooms and acid now. But there is still this little tiny seed of doubt "what if she was telling the truth", and the fact that DMT is so powerful...That doubt has grown a little. But I think like Michal and others have said, I just need to start real small.
 
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#23 Posted : 8/31/2013 8:48:07 PM

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As long as that infection you mentioned is now healed and taken care of, I would say go ahead. I didn't see mention of it other than the OP. The one experience I had with psychedelics and an untreated infection was actually healing, however. I was shown where and what the infection was, and that it was serious, and that I had to go right away and get it taken care of. I did, and the doctor said the same things the entities were telling me during the trip Smile

So other than starting with small doses, make sure that infection is taken care of Pleased
 
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#24 Posted : 8/31/2013 9:10:00 PM

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PocketLady wrote:
she said it was one thing to take things like mushrooms and ayahuasca under the guidance of a shaman who could "protect" you if anything bad happened (entities etc) but it wasn't safe to do on your own.

i lol'd...
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#25 Posted : 9/1/2013 12:49:25 AM

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Parshvik Chintan wrote:
PocketLady wrote:
she said it was one thing to take things like mushrooms and ayahuasca under the guidance of a shaman who could "protect" you if anything bad happened (entities etc) but it wasn't safe to do on your own.

i lol'd...


Yeah, that is a fairly common fable.
 
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#26 Posted : 9/2/2013 3:46:25 PM

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@Vodsel
Just the fact that the energy healer disagrees with your view on how psychedelics might affect PocketLady does not make her a less valid therapeutic choice. What you see as "fear mongering" is her diagnosis based on the tools she has available. Comparing her to psychiatrists and neurologists just shows, that you disregard other healing modalities besides biomedicine, at least if they don't follow your opinion. And that is precisely what i was criticizing.

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But it stinks of profiteering to me


Do you know how much regular biomedical doctors charge? A lot more...
I also don't understand why someone should not get paid for a service someone freely opted to pay for.
 
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#27 Posted : 9/2/2013 4:16:19 PM

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obliguhl wrote:
@Vodsel
Just the fact that the energy healer disagrees with your view on how psychedelics might affect PocketLady does not make her a less valid therapeutic choice. What you see as "fear mongering" is her diagnosis based on the tools she has available. Comparing her to psychiatrists and neurologists just shows, that you disregard other healing modalities besides biomedicine, at least if they don't follow your opinion. And that is precisely what i was criticizing.


I did not say an energy healer is a less valid therapeutic choice. It's true that in the last part of my post I used "", but that referred in a cautionary way to the particular case mentioned rather than to all energy healers. Personally I've found about more energy healers deserving the "" than not deserving them, but I was not commenting based on my own opinion about the alternative, or at least it was not my intention.

My point was that she was bringing up a psychiatric condition as a potential diagnose (schizophrenia) without being qualified for it. The same would apply, if you want, when a psychologist would warn someone about an aura imbalance. Also, suggesting that use of psychedelics would trigger schizophrenia with no clinical or analytical basis strongly resonates with many stories and urban legends that have surely deserved to be called "fear mongering" against psychedelics use.
 
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#28 Posted : 9/2/2013 5:09:55 PM
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How many channellers, psychics and telepaths do you think are locked up in the skitzo bin?
 
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#29 Posted : 9/2/2013 6:32:51 PM

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I do not wish to insult anyone's beliefs if DMT has taught me anything, it is that anything is possible, Your Energy Healer could be talking absolute truth. However i personally question anyone who claims to hold spiritual or religious answers and charges a fee to reveal them. (a doctor goes to school and invests time and money to gain a learnt skill , Healers with gifts should not charge for their gift)
 
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#30 Posted : 9/2/2013 6:55:21 PM
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Yeah I have thought that myself higgins. But I guess as it stands we all need money to live in this world.

I did some interesting reading on cold-reading last night and that could definitely explain a lot. Psychics and healers making vague statements and then the customer filling in the gaps. Also the ability of the human mind to ignore things that don't fit, and latch onto what does. I already knew most of this stuff to be honest, but some of the stuff she has said to me during the 3 times I've seen her seemed so specific and spot on. But I guess the human mind is not infallible and I'm probably just one more sucker.
 
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#31 Posted : 9/2/2013 8:15:27 PM

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obliguhl wrote:


Do you know how much regular biomedical doctors charge? A lot more...


I have never had to pay a penny for any bio-medical attentions that i have recieved. Maybe when energy healing is available on the NHS i will become less cynical. I can"t help that i am narrow minded. It is an affliction that i have learnt to live with over the years.

Please don"t tell me you actually agree with the piffle that has been fed to Pocketlady (for upto £35/hour!!!!).

 
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#32 Posted : 9/2/2013 8:28:08 PM

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Awww... "piffle" has to be the cutest word ...ever. Pleased
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#33 Posted : 9/4/2013 12:17:13 PM

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My point was that she was bringing up a psychiatric condition as a potential diagnose (schizophrenia) without being qualified for it. The same would apply, if you want, when a psychologist would warn someone about an aura imbalance.


Ok, i understand what you mean by now. I just assumed, that the energy healer used biomedical terminology because it carries a lot of weight in our culture and there are no adequate, established alternative terms for something like "schizophrenia". Some cultures talk about spirit posession. Even though you can't really compare schizophrenia with spirit posession because the cultural context is different although symptoms might look similiar on the surface.

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I have never had to pay a penny for any bio-medical attentions that i have recieved.


Wow, do you have any doctors in your family? I would love to get free care too. Unfortunatly, i have to pay hundreds in insurance each month.
 
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#34 Posted : 9/4/2013 1:18:29 PM

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obliguhl wrote:


Wow, do you have any doctors in your family? I would love to get free care too. Unfortunatly, i have to pay hundreds in insurance each month.


Ok , you got me there. I pay a little national insurance every once in a while (this is dependant on your earnings, around about £100 a year for low incomes and the state pays for the unemployed). Also nominal fees for prescription drugs (also dependant on whether you earn or not). It is called the national health service (uk). But i fear that maybe it is near to going down the pan with the current government.
You pay hundreds in insurance every month?? I feel for you! Maybe you would be better off with an energy healer.
You didn"t answer my question about the piffle..... Using a term that carries a lot of wieght sure doesn"t make it right.
 
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I just asked myself if this was true and was told to ignore such things as they cannot be proven as anything more than someone making a guess, based on assumptions that lack any actual experience...

I could be fooling myself though, tricky swine that I am.
 
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