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anuser
#1 Posted : 8/16/2013 9:25:43 PM
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Hello, I've been a lurker of this site for some time but have yet to make an account. I wanted to see what the community had to say about this new way of looking at reality that DMT and other psychedelics have given me so I'll just turn it into an introduction essay.

I've always wanted to get some kind of meaning out of psychedelics. I had heard of shamanism, and the was interested in altered states, but was not in any circles of drug use. I was able to try cannabis in high school, and had very visual CEV journeys and intense feelings throughout my body. My friends were different and thought I was faking. In college I was able to find psychedelics and dissociatives and learned a lot about myself. It hasn't been that many years but I've had a good amount of experiences in there. The experiences eventually led me to meditation and otherwise improved my life. During many experiences I felt some kind of force that I could only describe as time unfolding. I found the same place during my first DMT experience. Although more confusing on salvia, I did it enough times to immediately understand it on DMT.

I came across videos by Rob Bryanton at tenthdimension.com describing something like what I experienced. And by the way, this is not the best way to represent the nature of the dimensions, but is not incorrect and is useful for explaining my thoughts.

Science has told us that space can be described by spatial dimensions. Each n dimension has n parameters. That is akin to saying the structure of each dimension is a collection of orthogonal (at right angles) spaces of the previous dimension. Descriptions of the first five are as follows: a zero-dimensional point, a one-dimensional line bounded by zero-dimensional points, a two-dimensional plane bounded by one-dimensional lines, a three-dimensional volume bounded by two-dimensional planes, a fourth-dimensional tesseract bounded by three-dimensional volumes, and a five-dimensional pentaract bounded by four-dimensional tesseracts. Whether some of these dimensions exist or not (many say the 0th-3rd do not), the visualization is helpful.

We know that the reality we experience is third-dimensional in nature. One higher dimension would be time (collection of all third-dimensional objects). Life could be then looked at as physically one thing branching off of the earliest bacteria in the third dimension. Picture a very complicated (flat) root system.

The fifth-dimension, orthogonal to the fourth, is composed of all fourth-dimensional space possible in our universe. If the fourth-dimension is viewed as a plane composed of 1-D lines of 4-D time (and anti-time), then the fifth-dimension is a sphere of all of the above 2-D planes.

To explain how the dimensions interact with one another, picture first a 3-D hand intersecting a 2-D plane, and somehow the existence of a 2-D observer. It would see one, two, three, four, five, two, and finally one lines of varying size as the hand moves through the plane. From the 2-D perspective, only 1-D lines of the 3-D object can be observed. In translation, if the hand was a 4-D object, and the observer experiences a 3-D perspective, it could only view 2-D planes of the 4-D object. If the hand was 5-D and the observer experiences in four-dimensions, it would only see 3-D volumes of the 5-D object. Therefore one can imagine that any nth-dimensional being can only observe and affect (n-1)th-dimensional space. This is only a visualization, and not the physics.

Now, if I've made sense so far, free will becomes an important topic. Most scientists today, materialist in nature, say that free will is impossible, and consciousness in turn stuck in a one fourth-dimensional timeline. However, if free will exists, consciousness actually make the choices that branch into different timelines. Such consciousness would reside in the 5-D space. As a 5-D consciousness, it can only affect 4-D space, and can cause branches of the timeline (manipulation of 4-D space). Our 5-D existence is represented by 4-D timelines, which we can only perceive in the third-dimension as 2-D planes.

So, if free will doesn't exist, we are a 4-D being consisting of a static 4-D 'timeline', represented in 3-D space two-dimensionally. But, if free will exists, we would be a fifth-dimensional being consisting of a 'plane' (pentaract) of possible 4-D 'timelines' (tesseracts). Each plane represents all of the possible outcomes of events since the big bang. A 6-D 'cube' (hexeract) would be defined by orthogonal 5-D 'planes' (tesseracts).

If free will allows us to modify a 4-D object, and because all possible arrangements of 4-D objects must exist in the fifth-dimension, then rather than 'modifying' the timeline we are moving our consciousness from one 4-D 'timeline' to another. All timelines are as real as any other, but, according to quantum science, the very act of observation collapses all of the possible 'timelines' into one point. In other words, our 5-D consciousness passes between 4-D timelines by collapsing the possible outcomes into a point. If one were to imagine a 6-D consciousness, it is conceivable to say that it could move timelines in 5-D space to completely different branches.

If each timeline has different set and status of observers, and observers affect (or are affected by) that specific timeline, then it may be possible to affect more choices than your own by simply being able to change one's self. Take for example two timelines, exactly the same in every way except in one, a branch is created when I spontaneously decide to smoke a cigarette. The other branch where I did not smoke still exists, but I would have moved my consciousness to a different 4-D branch. It has been discovered that although weak, organisms produce magnetic fields that change when the organism is under different conditions. Most of these come from the heart and the brain. As my body in one universe would be putting off certain vibrations because of the nicotine in my system, my body in another universe would have different vibrations. In turn, like the theory of the fractal universe, one change in the smallest scale causes the entire system to change.

Finally, the law of attraction. Now it is easy to see how one observer can cause a change to the entire system (or entering into another system). In each different system, there is a different vibrational signature. Hypothetically, if one has free will to move from one 4-D line to another, then one can willingly travel to timelines with more peace, or more war, which all coexist in 'future' timeline divergences.

Each observer, although the same being as the other observers, has the free will to change which reality they want to experience.

TL;DR if free will exists, we have the ability to 'affect reality' by moving to a different 4-D timeline. If this is true than we may be have a lot of control over what we want to experience. If free will is an illusion, we stay in one timeline permanently. In either case, however, it is easier to see that we are all the same being.


Thanks to tenthdimension.com and Grant Morrison's account of alien abduction to help me get this into words.

EDIT: The following is important to help understand the fourth dimension better.
One interpretation of space in the early 1900's by Hermann Minkowski, who used Einstein's theory of relativity to come to his conclusion, describes time as a spacial dimension. From wikipedia: "In theoretical physics, Minkowski space is often contrasted with Euclidean space. While a Euclidean space has only spacelike dimensions, a Minkowski space also has one timelike dimension." In his words: "The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.

First of all I should like to show how it might be possible, setting out from the accepted mechanics of the present day, along a purely mathematical line of thought, to arrive at changed ideas of space and time...Three-dimensional geometry becomes a chapter in four-dimensional physics."

In his project about the subject, Rob Bryanton says to not "get hung up on what label you put on each additional spatial dimension, as long as you are visualizing a way in which the new dimension encompasses the previous ones and is orthogonal to the previous ones, as that is a basic concept behind spatial dimensions. 'Spatial' is the important word here, because theorists do indeed say that the extra dimensions are spatial, or at very least "space-like". And finally, even if you're going to argue that it's incorrect to add labels of any kind to each specific dimension, it's very odd to say 'we just can't tell these dimensions apart'. So whether you call the additional degree of freedom added by the fourth dimension ana/kata, duration, time/anti-time, or some other words you want to make up you are still acknowledging that there was something you couldn't get to until you added this new spatial dimension."
 

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#2 Posted : 8/27/2013 9:25:36 PM

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Now that for me is a really, really heavy first post. I have read it once and thrice and if I don't reply now I never will.

anuser wrote:
Now, if I've made sense so far...

Some of your post I follow. Some I could grasp if I tried harder. In some places you lose me but I fear that's a limitation of my physics education (or should that be metaphysics) rather than yours.

Free will in esoteric circles is indeed considered to be an illusion and to cut to the chase it is considered that your thoughts and your actions are not always your own...despite what you might think.

This bring us onto ultra 3D dimensions (I just made that up but you know what I am saying) where in occult circles (and entheogenic "research"Pleased) several dimensions beyond the 'physical' realms do exist (they say) but honestly...look at us, see mankind on earth, today...in our 3D skin and bones...we have a long way to go to get into the 4th dimension before we start looking beyond. There's a long, long way to go IMO. Still, we need people with foresight and you seem to have that in abundance.

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#3 Posted : 8/28/2013 4:09:16 PM

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Great first post, echoed alot of my own thoughts on the subject of dimensions encapsulating dimensions.

Welcome to the Nexus, I think you will find it a great place for metaphysical discussion.
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#4 Posted : 8/29/2013 3:33:54 AM
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I also agree that this is a great first post. It's a great post in general, and I wish I stumbled upon posts like this more often.

That being said, I'd like to address the specific points that I disagree with, and you can elaborate on your idea or clarify my misunderstanding if such is the case...

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From the 2-D perspective, only 1-D lines of the 3-D object can be observed. In translation, if the hand was a 4-D object, and the observer experiences a 3-D perspective, it could only view 2-D planes of the 4-D object.

I see where you are coming from: A 2D object is clearly 2D from the 3rd dimension, but for a being on the plane of the 2D object, it appears to be a line. Likewise, we see in 2D. On the other hand, that is not necessary. That I can only see in 2D is merely a consequence of the nature of human vision. I could just as well imagine being able to detect the depth of an object by detecting rays/fields emitted from behind the front surface of objects (and I CAN do this for semi-transparent objects). 3D imaging devices, such as MRI machines, can do this, and we can do this to some extent because our eyes/brains detect depth by several methods.

I was particularly impressed by the idea of a 5D consciousness being able to move between 4D timelines, but I don't think that a consciousness being 5D necessarily implies that it can move in such a way. For example, I know exactly how to move in 1 of the 3 spatial dimensions by controlling the various muscles that I am aware of, but I see no reason why the mere existence of higher spatial dimensions would allow me to both be aware of and control my position in those higher dimensions. I may be 10-dimensional, but what muscle do I flex to move in the 7th dimension?

I am not sure what extra dimensions have to do with free will: If particles can interact through 5 dimensions, then why can't their parameters be determined in the same way that they could be in 4D spacetime? If particles cannot interact through 5-dimensions, then how could we be aware of other 4D time branches? (I know you said that only a 6D being could do that, but I reduced the number based on my 1st argument) The way I see it, free will is not impossible because 3D space is evolving deterministically over time, but rather it is impossible because 4D spacetime already exists and our experience of it in 3D cross-sections with a forward-pointing arrow of time is inherent in our particular form of consciousness. Likewise, if consciousness were 6D, I think it would still be determined because, at least from the 7D perspective, it has already happened in its entirety. The idea that tomorrow doesn't exist "until then" is illusory. All space and time exists right "now" (that's "now" in a higher time dimension). Reality may be 2D or 5D, but we perceive it to be 4D How the mind formats reality is, for all intents and purposes, completely independent of the actual nature of reality, and we can only dig so deep into the nature of such perceptual formatting before uncovering certain epistemological paradoxes.

Finally, if I consider the 4D branch model to be true (though what does it mean for a "model" to be "true"?), then it seems to me that I CAN move between branches. After all, I can see the many possible realities that result from my many possible decisions. I can see the 4D branches and choose between them with the only caveat being that I have to choose a limb before time reaches a particular fork in the road. Or maybe the I don't choose a limb until after I have passed the fork. Or maybe it is all happening at once.

Anyways, I don't like to distinguish between time and space, but for someone who did, the idea of multiple time dimensions would refute the existence of causality because a particle could move out of our timeline and then back into it at a earlier or later time. I like to think that every electron is actually just one electron moving in and out of spacetime in this way. Likewise, if pre-incarnation is possible, then we may all be incarnations of the same person.

I wasn't sure what you meant by "anti-time".
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