I've been having some decent trips from acacia confuse and Syrian rue extract. Yesterday I had a trip that was of moderate strength. I felt like I was moving and open eye visuals were close to right before a vaped breakthrough when everything is swimming around extremely fast and the walls were breathing and moving. I could also see what appeared to be a fault line in my vision that was moving back and forth. closed eyes are pretty entrancing if I focus and let go. no electronic bird chirping though. Pretty intense, however it only lasted a couple hours, not including afterglow and ingestion. Do I just need more maois. I definitely feel the rue but the dmt is there quite strong too. I have tripped with less, I have now doubled my rue dose but the length seems to be the same just a stronger trip.
Don't get me wrong I like this style because its easier to fit in my schedule, but I would like to experience a longer trip.

I seem to have an similar problem. I can drink more Rue-tea in the beginning but it only makes the experience more intense not longer.
The easy way is to drink again when you feel you come down.

More rue.

Or just drink again.

If more rue increases the intensity of your journey but not the length, then timing is likely to be the problem.

A good rule of thumb is to drink the acacia 20 minutes after the rue. Your journey might be shortened if you drink it too early or too late.

more rue is what makes for longer experiences. With enough vine or rue you can go for 12 hours or more, though you may ironically just be wishing for it to end.

jamie, you don't think timing matters?

Drinking multiple times extends the journey a lot for obvious reasons. I like to drink a cup and drink a second or even third cup within an hour to 90 min later. This way I have a solid 6 hours of strong effects.

I don't know the exact pharmacology behind this but my hunch would be the maoi wears off before the dmt is fully processed by the body hence ending the experience. Taking the dmt after your maoi will make the come up fast and strong but wont exactly significantly extend the journey as good as re dosing does or drinking a very vine or rue heavy brew. When the maoi is done working your journey ends no matter how you space out the dmt dose.
IME that is.

I would try re dosing only the rue at and hour if you know your dmt dose is adequate. If my hunch is correct that should extend the hell out of the experience but not make it too powerful.

Oral and aya are pretty strange stuff. They don't seem to follow logic or physics. There is definitely more going on this just dosing. For example;

I have never understood how this could happen but has happened to me and Ive seen it happen to many others in ceremony. You drink a strong cup of brew and for whatever reason that night you fight to hold it down for just 5-10 min and then purge violently. Those have been the absolute strongest full breakthrough experiences I have ever had with ayahuasca and it doesn't make sense.

Another example is my body takes about 30 min to even start to feel the dmt and sometimes up to an hour but I have had full on strong vivid hallucination at the 5 min mark, maybe 10 tops but everything else is crystal clear sober feeling other than shadow spirits flying through the Maloka. This has also happened to my girlfriend and this has been all from the same ayahausca brew. One night it hits hard the next even double the dose from the night before may be a dud.

Both these example from my understanding of how dmt and aya are processed shouldn't be possible. Especially purging up the huge majority of the cup you drank yet tripping very very hard.

One thing I know about aya is you get what you get more times than get what you tried to get. I have honestly drank huge amounts and felt next to nothing before. If your not ready to receive the gift it simply wont happen. That's been my experience.

Chaliponga admix can extend the happening.
I've heard of Bunfelsia doing also, but cannot confirm first hand exp.

I have found that drinking 2g of rue or 75g of caapi at +0.00 mark then at +0.30-1.00 mark drink another 2g or 75g PLUS the DMT you were going to take. This way you know the DMT is going to active to a great extent This usually calls for about a 8 hours experience.

some good info.
This is what I do to give you an idea. I take at least enough rue to cause maoi inhibition then 15 minutes later or so I dose rue again, then about 5 minutes later I drink my acacia tea. usually I smoke a bowl and a cigarette while I wait, and by the time im done I know im tripping because my mouth is watering and I can see designs in the details of things. the other issue is im worried that the intensity will increase substantially, and I felt close to breakthrough last time.
everywhere I read people are taking up to an hour or so for effects, but most of the time I feel it come on almost immediately. the total trip is probably 4 hours or more including ingestion time but I cant figure out how to make it last longer. I guess I could always redose rue like mentioned but I wasn't sure if there is still enough dmt to make that work.

Incidentally my friend left 2 hours in between, still worked like a charm, good thing to pave the path in advance

brugmansia will deffinetly extent it but really dont recomend it unless you have alot of experience with this plant teacher, i like putting just a couple chrirc caspi leaves in my brew it intensifys it as well makes it last longer chiric sanango will also work. or like otheres have said you can just drink more tea abit later. if you have more aya vine it wil also last longer hope that helps

Not wanting to split hears but for the record: chiricaspi = chiric sanango to my knowledge. "Sanango" meaning 'medical plant' or 'healing', a word in combination with many different plants, even as sur or last names of persons.

Is Brunfelsia safer as an admix than Brugmansia?