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As a huge tea drinker I definitely consume more Fluoride than the average person so my question is, if DMT is indeed linked with pineal gland activity than would it be safe to take DMT given that my pineal gland is not exactly in mint condition?
This might bring about some demands asking for proof that fluoride calcifies the pineal gland, but there are studies that are pretty convincing. I don't feel like digging for them right now though.
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what makes you think DMT's activity occurs in the pineal gland? DMT is a ligand which binds 5-HT receptors, and the highest concentration of 5-HT receptors [aside from the gut] is in the raphe nuclei. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
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benzyme wrote:what makes you think DMT's activity occurs in the pineal gland?
I wrote: "if DMT is indeed linked with pineal gland" ^implying it may or may not be....Though I do think it may be linked and there is some evidence for Strassman's claims: DMT Found in the Pineal Gland of Live Rats
benzyme wrote:
DMT is ligand which binds 5-HT receptors, and the highest concentration of 5-HT receptors [aside from the gut] is in the raphe nuclei.
I did not know that. Interesting. 
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Yes it is safe to smoke DMT even if you drink a lot of tea.
I think you are mixing things up. Ingested DMT binding to receptors and resulting psychoactivity is a different thing altogether than endogenous DMT presence and production in different parts of the nervous system.
Also you are mixing calcification (related to calcium), and fluoride.
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pechenek wrote:benzyme wrote:what makes you think DMT's activity occurs in the pineal gland?
I wrote: "if DMT is indeed linked with pineal gland" ^implying it may or may not be....Though I do think it may be linked and there is some evidence for Strassman's claims: DMT Found in the Pineal Gland of Live Rats
you wrote "if DMT is indeed linked with pineal gland activity..". DMT has nothing to do with pineal gland activity. The gland's functions occur regardless if DMT is present or not, its primary product is melatonin. I think what you meant to say is "if DMT's activity is linked to the pineal gland.." that also is a false assumption, because DMT's activity does not occur in the pineal gland. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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From What ive heared its claimed tap water containing flouride coats your pineal some how stopping or limiting the DMT it is meant to produce.
If it is true ,lime Endlessness says I dont think it would effect you smoming DMT as I think the DMT is active in another area of the brain.
I dont think you would have a problem , however if you are not 100% comfertable dont do it. Even the slightest unease could lead to a rough ride.
Peace
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The pineal gland hasn't been shown to produce DMT, it has only been found there. It's also been found in several peripheral tissues, along with the tryptamine methylating enzyme, INMT, and the enzyme's mRNA transcripts: the lungs, the heart, adrenal glands, and muscles. there seems to be a circulating myth/misconception, that a shellac'd pineal gland (from fluoride-containing water) won't admit one to the DMT show. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Regardless of whether or not DMT is produced in the pineal, it shouldn't make the least bit of difference for smoking. Even if we assume and allow for DMT to be produced in the pineal, that is not where it takes neurological action. If DMT were produced in the pineal, the ramifications of a calcified pineal would only theoretically pertain to the endogenous production of DMT. Smoking DMT bypasses the endogenous production entirely and momentarily overloads the system so-to-speak with DMT. It takes action at the 5-HT receptors, so it shouldn't matter where the source is. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
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don't listen to these illuminist monsters if you drink tea with miniscule amounts of fluoride, and then vape dmt, your brain will explode. anyone who tells you otherwise just wants you dead. My wind instrument is the bong
CHANGA IN THE BONGA!
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Parshvik Chintan wrote:don't listen to these illuminist monsters
if you drink tea with miniscule amounts of fluoride, and then vape dmt, your brain will explode.
anyone who tells you otherwise just wants you dead. Dammit my lizardman identity has been rumbled  We lizards dont want you dead, just enslaved muahahahahhahahahaha!
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higgins wrote:We lizards dont want you dead, just enslaved muahahahahhahahahaha! I KNEW it! Dick Cheyney is one of you right? amirite?
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^ Guys, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just so happened to quote David Icke in another thread because he in detail described whats happening inside your brain under DMT, thought it would stimulate discussion. I didn't really know he was involved in the Reptilian shape-shifting feminist theories until a few days ago. A big blow to his credibility to say the least.  But excess fluoride can interfere with bodily functions: Quote:A 47-year-old woman was referred for bone pain and abnormal findings on radiography. The patient reported that for the past 17 years, she has habitually consumed a pitcher of tea made from 100 to 150 tea bags daily (estimated fluoride intake, >20 mg per day). She reported a 5-year history of pain in the lower back, arms, legs, and hips. Because of brittleness, all her teeth had been extracted. Radiography of the forearm revealed interosseous membrane calcifications (Panel A, arrows), and radiography of the spine revealed a rugger-jersey appearance (striated pattern of increased density in the upper and lower zones of the vertebrae) (Panel B, arrows), suggesting skeletal fluorosis. The serum fluoride concentration was 0.43 mg per liter (23 ฮผmol per liter; normal concentration, <0.10 mg per liter [5 ฮผmol per liter]). Skeletal fluorosis is endemic in areas with high concentrations of fluoride in the drinking water, but it is rare in other parts of the world. Brewed tea has one of the highest fluoride contents among beverages in the United States. After appropriate counseling, the patient discontinued tea consumption, with improvement in her symptoms. Since it can take years to deplete skeletal fluoride, we are considering whether to increase bone remodeling with the intermittent use of teriparatide to facilitate the elimination of skeletal fluoride. http://www.nejm.org/doi/...l/10.1056/NEJMicm1200995& Fluoride deposition in the aged human pineal gland.
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I still fail to see how excess flouride has anything to do with experiencing exogenous DMT. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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pechenek wrote:^ Guys, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just so happened to quote David Icke in another thread because he in detail described whats happening inside your brain under DMT, thought it would stimulate discussion. I didn't really know he was involved in the Reptilian shape-shifting feminist theories until a few days ago. A big blow to his credibility to say the least. But excess fluoride can interfere with bodily functions: Quote:A 47-year-old woman was referred for bone pain and abnormal findings on radiography. The patient reported that for the past 17 years, she has habitually consumed a pitcher of tea made from 100 to 150 tea bags daily (estimated fluoride intake, >20 mg per day). She reported a 5-year history of pain in the lower back, arms, legs, and hips. Because of brittleness, all her teeth had been extracted. Radiography of the forearm revealed interosseous membrane calcifications (Panel A, arrows), and radiography of the spine revealed a rugger-jersey appearance (striated pattern of increased density in the upper and lower zones of the vertebrae) (Panel B, arrows), suggesting skeletal fluorosis. The serum fluoride concentration was 0.43 mg per liter (23 ฮผmol per liter; normal concentration, <0.10 mg per liter [5 ฮผmol per liter]). Skeletal fluorosis is endemic in areas with high concentrations of fluoride in the drinking water, but it is rare in other parts of the world. Brewed tea has one of the highest fluoride contents among beverages in the United States. After appropriate counseling, the patient discontinued tea consumption, with improvement in her symptoms. Since it can take years to deplete skeletal fluoride, we are considering whether to increase bone remodeling with the intermittent use of teriparatide to facilitate the elimination of skeletal fluoride. http://www.nejm.org/doi/...l/10.1056/NEJMicm1200995& Fluoride deposition in the aged human pineal gland. That study says nothing about excess fluoride consumption in an individuals diet, and flouridosis/fluoride deposits ending up at the pineal. Not that consuming that much fluoride, or any fluoride is safe/a good idea. Just none of the studies in this thread point to dietary excess of fluorides ending up in the pineal. And like what many have already said, the pineal may have nothing to do with the dmt experience. Straussman iirc, took back his assumptions that the pineal may have some role in endogenous/exogenous dmt, and how that may affect the experience of internally created, or externally introduced dmt experiences. Basically, i see no evidence, that the pineal has anything to do with dmt in relation to the levels its found in/the enzymes that catalyze the production of it in other parts of the body. As well, i don't see any evidence that excessive fluoride consumption causes fluoridosis, or other problems with the pineal. "let those who have talked to the elves, find each other and band together" -TMK
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