Not that I'm surprised, its not very appealing the idea of stuffing crudely extracted spice and friends up the ol poop shoot haha. It is supposedly very effective and a powerful lift off the trip reports are always very intense.
So anyway is a thumbprint LSD peak similar to a dmt breakthrough?

I've never done a thumbprint, I've never even seen raw LSD crystal; with that being said I have eaten a 10 strip of strong acid and while it was an amazingly powerful psychedelic experience I wouldn't compare it to a DMT breakthrough at all.

However, I've also eaten a couple handfuls of mushrooms and that trip felt very similar to a DMT breakthrough. It actually made me crave DMT on once I started coming down from the peak but sadly I didn't have any.

I think that high dose mushrooms feel much more similar to DMT than high dose LSD because the psilocybin in mushrooms is structurally similar to DMT.

You can have a breakthrough experience on lsd (even without thumb-printing, which i've never tried) however its not nearly as similar to dmt as mushroom hyperspace

I would plug, but it really doesn't seem from what I have read to be efficient enough to warrant that route. As for lsd thumbprint, I am pretty sure that it would be a really powerful illuminating experience, but at the biochemical level different reactions are occurring then with dmt so I doubt there would be much similarity in the journey. I may be wrong though since I have never done a thumbprint and likely wouldn't even if I could.

Not that I've ever taken enough LSD first-hand to know, but there is a sort of "ceiling" when it comes to taking LSD. After a certain point, the effects will sort of plateau. This "feature" is not built into the DMT experience. It can (easily) keep building and building and building...

My experience with bigger acid dosages is that it also also keeps building and building and going deeper and deeper. I have heard about that plateau theory before but for me I cannot confirm that.

In my experience DMT is often some sort of deeply zooming out, while acid is some sort of deeply zooming in. My deepest acid journey was easily as deep as my deepest DMT journey.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Well even if it did acheive that level of breakthough, it would not be under optimal conditions or as efficiently reached in my opinion.... You may leave your body, but how many days would you be out for if you took that much acid?

Whereas you could use dmt to go to hyperspace and back in time for tea in 10 minutes....

LSD is awesome for sure and has its applications, but for acheiving hyperspace experience it is nowhere near as effective as dmt...

just my opinion

I was in total acid hyperspace for about four hours, the total journey lasted about 12 hours with another 8 hours coming down/afterglow.

For me the multi-hour pharma journeys always brought more to me than the 15 minutes of reaching hyperspace and then back by vaping. The short trips are nice but they never get me to the full and deep insights I get on the several hour pharma journeys.

I also think that by presenting your opinion on acid ("nowhere near as effective as dmt...") as fact is something that will change once you will go into a deep acid journey, in my experience it is really something as special as a deep DMT journey.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

I do agree traveler, that deeper insights and generally more profound experiences take time to sink in, and that longer psychedelic journeys have more of an overall impact than short blastoff ones. For example ayahusca vs. freebase dmt two very different experiences.

That said, i was not saying lsd is not as effcient as dmt in general, i meant for the specific application of "breakthrough" or "hyperspace" like the OP said. i think it would be pretty hard to argue that lsd is more hyperspace or breakthrough oriented than dmt. I think you may have took my point out of the context i meant it in...

That said i have had one very deep and immersive journey with lsd that i would consider on par with experiences with ayahuasca and cactus. My interperitation of it was it is a very powerful mirror for conciousness and general amplifier of reality. I did not find the same spirit guide i find with mushrooms or ayahuasca or cacti, more like it was an amplification and mirror for myself.

Dont get me wrong though guys, i am an advocate of conciousness expansion and i am highly in favor of people using LSD. In general because of where i live and i dont get out much, it is never available to me and plants are always there so that is just my path

I think the "plateau theory" relates to lower doses, compared to thumbprint amounts. I have taken blotter after blotter in a night and there is a point where you don't get any further, but the experience lasts longer IMO.

My experience has been the same. I can't even imagine taking a thumbprint and I love LSD.

Agreed. Great minds think alike or what? I should be so presumptuous!!! Hehehe... Lol.

Well, perhaps it's more eloquent to say that kindred spirits often see things from a similar angle? Now, as one of the older dogs in this fine community of intelligent folk, I have to admit that I've 100 times more experience with authentic LSD-25 (since the 1970s), than with the enigmatic NN-DMT.

Still, I feel that each Sacred Medicine has it's own unique Magik to impart and all of them are truly magnificent, far beyond any accurate description. BTW and for the record, I haven't imbibed LSD for a tad more than 21 years now. When I think back, lucidly so I might add, my acid-peak summit occurred back in July of 1991. The peak of all peaks, so to speak.

The Grateful Dead had just played in High Gate, Vermont and the LSD flowed like honey! Sadly, it was to be one of the last summer tours with Jerry Garcia present on this material plane. Coincidentally, the inaugural Ben and Jerry Music Festival was taking place. I was most sky-high for the event! Clean acid, nitrous balloons and kind bud were everywhere. Damn, there were so many wonderful musical acts that day on the mountainside: Carlos Santana, Richie Havens, Arlo Guthrie, Shawn Colvin, Phish, Toots & the Maytals... a great day of exceptional music, basking in the glorious sunshine. It was happening in Stowe, Vermont.

As far as synchronicity goes, the National Rainbow Gathering was simultaneously occurring in a nearby State park. I couldn't resist the proximity of this 34,000 person event and I hitch-hiked off to a trip I'll never ever forget! It was the highest I've ever been in my relatively brief lifetime. It was a trip at the Rainbow Gathering on July 4th, of 1991 in Glover, Vermont. I jumped right in and it was the largest dose I've ever imbibed.

I've got pretty big (cosmic) balls... and I can't even count the number of times I've been so high, so electrified, so terrified and equally intrigued and inraptured... as to loose my grasp of reality as we mutually conceive of it! You all know, that moment when we plead earnestly to some universal force to return to ordinary human consciousness? Yet, in such a state of mind, one cannot to any feasible degree hold on to our view as conditioned personages, to any cohesive familiarity or even a subjective viewpoint or a definitive self, at all.

But I can be prone to leap before I look, as far as psychedelics go. And this dosage made me so overwhelmed, I thought I'd never ever return to normal life, as an ordinary earthling in continual transition, within the field of the time-space-continuum. And yes, this LSD was gifted to my eager soul, in the form of uber-clean plain blotter acid, five hits at 200 mics each and a relatively innocent looking, plastic vial/eye dropper of XXX liquid.

And as I've never finger-printed, I can't say much about the encounter... but my fingers were glistening with an iridescent glow as the liquid saturated me to some nearly impossible to measure degree. While I certainty reached total saturation level and had a bonafide whiteout experience... it was in no way less intense, immense or reality-shifting than Spice is.

To me the defining differentiation betwixt such powerful entheogens is the rate of immediate acceleration with DMT, in all of her magnificent brews, extractions and elixirs (equally wondrous varieties), is waaaaaaay faster and far, far more rocketing. This is great and this is also most challenging.

So, we shift into alternate frequencies where self and subjective perception morph at such a rapid rate that we are mesmerized by the fantastic blur of it all. and we shatter into a billion points of shimmering light, spiraling within a exponentially expanding vortex of pure Spiritus.

But I feel that as a community engaging in serious discourse, we need to see that comparing apples to oranges is silly. All psychedelics/entheogens teach us slightly different and highly unique lessons. I sincerely feel that when we most abandon our judgements, measurement and conceptual demands, we step just one more pace closer to a breakthrough experience, regardless of the type of Sacred Medicine.

Ive never thumb printed LSD, or taken overly large doses of LSD..or even taken LSD that many times..but psilocybin and mescaline(and even LSA I guess) have taken me into super deep places. LSA I have had be comparable to ayahuasca. Psilocybin and mescaline I have had be so strong that I could have sworn I must have vaped a hit of DMT. I never had the guts to take mescaline like that again though. It was different but on par.

The thing about DMT plants for me that makes them my closest ally, is the versatility. They are very accomidating allies. The sheer power they can exhibit in a timeframe of only minutes beginning to end is what makes them so useful for me. To get to that level of depth and energetic activation with mushrooms, LSD or mescaline can be far more demanding physically. I really love psilocybin mushrooms but I don't have the energy to put into those experiences as often as I once did, nor do I have the desire really to dose to the level of breakthrough with mushrooms as I have before. Mushrooms and cacti will always be part of my life but the DMT plants have been my closest allie for a number of years for these reasons.

It is a perfect tryptamine..DMT.

Cant wait for 5meoDMT.

I like to think of full on vaped DMT(and maybe salvinorin/5meoDMT) as the ultimate death practice.

that's pretty much it...
you can only take so much before inhibitory effects (and some degree of
receptor saturation, akin to enzyme/substrate saturation) occur. you have to realize, LSD has a wide binding profile, some of the effects exerted at a set of receptors may counteracts effects exerted by others, especially at high doses. The dosage/plateau correlation was elucidated by Dr. Charles Grob in the 1970's.
Thumbprints were mainly "family" rituals, done to "test one's faith", to ensure the taker isn't a narc.

taking excessively large doses tends to lengthen the experience rather than rocket you into
hyperpsychedelia.