Wow, how hilariously inefficient. I'm glad I didn't do D at 16, I suppose.

But, I must say, though I used the vapor genie 98% of the time, an empty water bottle, Gatorade bottle, 2 liter or the like with the bottom cut off, and a bowl made with one's finger in aluminum foil at the bottom, with the sides then taped, works well, and especially is a good disposable method. Let the whole bottle fill up with smoke, uncap it, take it all in at one time.

If you are out and about in the world and can't carry your GVG or Volcano vaporizer, haha, then that is a sufficient route. Many will disagree with me here, but smoking off of foil a handfull of times in one's lifetime I'm sure would do no harm. A lighter placed on foil for 3 seconds is better than a bar-b-que.

Peace

Tried that foil on a bottle bottom before, must have done it wrong, full hell in the throat, never again.

for the record, NEVER use tin foil to smoke out of. It is pretty toxic.

Is there a better disposable method? Just wondering. I do not suggest it, just know that it is a disposable method which works, I wish there were a cleaner one....

A Homemade bong is disposable and miles better than a bottle tinfoil monstrosity

what would you make the bowl out of for this homemade bong you refer to

I would use a normal bowl and down pipe.

I think the main problem with trying to vapourise DMT on aluminium foil is that the spice can burn very easily. If you chase it down the foil with a gentle flame as in chasing the dragon then you run less of a risk of burning the product but it can be difficult to get the required amount into your lungs.
In the case of the aluminium foil on the bottom of a soda bottle you can end up holding the flame in the same position as you heat the DMT which leads to burning rather than vapourizing.
It takes a fair amount of heat to melt aluminium foil. Far more than it takes to vapourise DMT. The alzheimers thing has been around for as long as i have been smoking drugs off of foil and is possible, but unproven. Besides it"s nvr dun me no ɯɹɐɥ..

Just to clear the air here... aluminum has never been proven to be harmful in normal doses. It is not a "toxic" metal in any real sense of the word.

All this despite extensive long-term study. It's essentially been proven safe due to the lack of any ill effects found in all these studies.

So lets quit with the "one study found..." and "maybe but not proven" stuff. One study suggested a link, which prompted several much larger and long-term studies which determined there was NO link. Science worked exactly as it should, but all the non-tinfoil hat people have failed to take note.

The thing that rubs me about the aluminum paranoia is that they scare people off of doing something, but fail to account for the fact that other sources are much more significant.

You drink from aluminum cans, eat from aluminum cookware, use aluminum based deodorant, etc., etc.. The unproven, but certainly infinitesimal, amount you MIGHT get from vaporizing off it, growing mushrooms in tinfoil pans, etc., etc. is certainly dwarfed by other sources in your life.

That's not to say vaping from foil is a good method, but in a pinch or if you're not a real aficionado, there should be nothing wrong with it, at least from a health perspective if you do it properly.

Homemade bong = plastic 500ml bottle, hosepipe, wrench socket ize 13, may differ in different continents

Totally disposable, and the socket will just look like it has grease in it or something, stick it in the pocket

We used a 14, oh happy days

Why? I really do not see a problem with saying "maybe but unproven". Can you post a link to the long term studies that said there was no link? No link to what? Smoking off of foil? I would like to read them.

As far as a robust portable DMT vaping device goes. I recommend the classic vg. Very portable and a lot cheaper than the Gvg.

Because it is a lie. It is either ill-informed information or intentional deception.

Using a study that has since been debunked to produce an impression of controversy is dishonest.

Science works by experimentation and study. It starts with studies or observations that are suggestive of something. When those indicate a possible link they are followed by a larger and longer study that is designed to be conclusive.

Continuing to report some old suggestive study despite the fact that the follow-up study DISPROVED the link amounts to a bald-faced lie.

SO much more is known about Alzheimer’s these days. The molecular causes are fairly well known and studied now.

A dick would just blow this off, but I'll provide you a few quotes to further your research. I really should provide the actual cites to the follow-up research, but this is several generations of research behind the curve and has been widely reported, so I'm sure you can dig deeper if you're really interested. Suffice it to say that there is a strong consensus that aluminum is not linked to Alzheimer’s.



> No link to what? Smoking off of foil? I would like to read them.

If you're worried that heating the aluminum provides such a huge dose that it overcomes the lack of a link and magically reanimates the validity of a debunked speculative study...

All I can say is that plenty of food is cooked in, or covered by, aluminum foil. Turkeys, foil packets on the barbecue, casseroles, etc., etc.. There are countless examples of food combined with heated aluminum foil. Not to say this is any evidence of the safety, but if you're worried about heating foil... why pick this one example as being more dangerous than other common activities?

If you had read my previous posts you would see that i am not worried about smoking off of foil. Other members are. This is the main reason i asked for a link to the study, aswell as it being interesting to read.



I am sorry to be a pedant but "maybe but unproven" is not a lie. It means that there is no proof that smoking off of foil can cause alzheimers and how that can be called intentional deception is way beyond my comprehension. The quote you provided says more or less the same thing- "studies have failed to confirm". Which does not necessarily mean that the studies have confirmed that it is definitely OK to smoke off of foil. The quote also refers to "everyday" sources of aluminium. Would you say holding a lighter under a sheet of aluminium while inhaling drugs off of it was an everyday source?
I"d go as far as saying that telling people that it is completely safe to smoke off foil is ill informed.

Sorry to be nit picky but i reserve my god given right to be not 100% sure about anything.

I wish someone would post post a pic of this homemade bong, I can't vision it.

All I know is that probably the first 50 times I did D was from a homemade water bottle rig using foil, because I didn't know any other way at the time. Very first time I did D, using that method, was the closest encounter I ever had even to this day with a higher dimensional being. Once I got involved with the Nexus, I then tried the GVG, never turned back.

GVG, volcano vaporizer liquid pad in the GVG, milligram scoop, make it a science.

Disposable methods is a topic that has not been discussed on the Nexus as far as I know.

Peace

And maybe the earth is flat, and maybe we're all androids and just don't know it.

If ZERO evidence = "maybe" to you then I guess there's no reasoning with you and the world must be a very scary place in your mind.

The whole "maybe aluminum is bad for you" comes from preliminary studies that have since been discredited by the follow up studies which were designed to be conclusive.

So yes, when your whole basis for an assertion is based on faulty data that has since been corrected... it IS a lie to continue to make the assertion.

You can't just waffle around in science, this isn't CourtTV. When something is accused of being bad, then studied and found to be innocent, you can't just pretend that "maybe" it's still bad and just got lucky in getting acquitted.


I challenge you to provide some evidence that aluminum is significantly bad for you in some way, or change your suggestive and fearmongering "maybe but unproven" statement to "there is no evidence that aluminum is bad for you". Hopefully you do see that there is a difference in these statements, and that one or another is truthful and the other is not.

I think there is a possibility that we could all be androids without knowing it.

I do not challenge you to provide evidence that smoking off of aluminium foil is conclusively proven to be harmless but it would be very nice if you would post a link just to put my mind at ease. To be quite honest youv"e been banging on about how it definitely isn"t bad for you for quite some time and still not provided a decent bit of proof.

As for me saying the word "maybe" being an assertion, that does"t make sense to me. If i was being assertive i would say that aluminium foil smoking was definitely bad for you. An assertion is a positive statement of intent so i really don"t see why you are getting your knickers in a twist over that.

Dude it"s not a lie to say maybe and if you have no evidence for something it means it is unproven. We are getting lost in semantics. I have put a link below for you about the toxicity of aluminium but MAYBE i am wrong. I am not that good at science.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568732

I say "maybe" it's bad for you due to the fact that I work with metal. I'm a welder. The fumes from aluminum being heated up do not feel good on the lungs. I'm aware of those studies you speak of FF, but you have to take into consideration that those studies didnt prove that aluminum is safe. So maybe aluminum is bad for you, and maybe you shouldn't assume what some people base there's opinion off of.

The whole maybe aluminum is bad for you is based off of a bunch of different things for different people. It seems like it wouldn't be good. I mean truthfully if you heat it up enough the smoke IS bad for you. A lighter can easily torch a thin piece of aluminum. The damage starts happening long before you see physical signs of it.

Oh and btw, aluminum has been found to be a protoplasmic poison and neurotoxic. I'm on my phone so just google it.

Maybe, but not proven.

In any case, I think we've made our points already.

I see no reason to warn people away from smoking off of aluminum or to even suggest that there is any evidence of any danger from it (failing the lack of said evidence).

I did a little research to try and make this thread more constructive...

Aluminum - MP = 660C, BP = 2,519C
Aluminum Oxide - MP = 2,072C, BP = 2,977C
The hottest part of a Bic lighter flame is 1977C.
So the absolute maximum temperature that a butane lighter can apply to aluminum foil is 542C below the boiling point of aluminum, and well below even the melting point of aluminum oxide.



Welders would certainly be in the know about aluminum fumes...


Lot's of aluminum gets welded, so you'd expect it to show up epidemiologicaly if there was a problem. But apparently the retirement homes are not full of senile aluminum welders riddled with Alzheimer's. And the occupational protection organizations don't seem to view it as dangerous.

Only California seems to have any actual regulation on how much aluminum fumes you can be exposed to, and we know that everything under the sun is "known to the state of California to cause...".

Whether its bad for you or not, its still a poor vapourisation method for DMT