Hello all! My apologies im not more active on the site, im out in the world a lot.
I've been contemplating the topic of how to disseminate knowledge and the experience of psychedelics, in particular dmt,LSD, and psilocybin in a safe and concious, yet widespread and efficient manner for quite some time now.
In a more perfect world without victless crimes, such as drug use, a position of an expert on the psychedelic experience could be established in which only individuals who are intimately experienced with the safe use of these substances can create the correct set and setting to provide positive initial experiences, and to give an example to the unexpierenced of how to use these substances safely.
Psychoanalytical skills would required of these experts, and put to use beforehand to make sure the uninitiated individual was ready for the experience. Also vast knowledge of drug interactions, pervious mental hardships, and anything else that could potentially provide for a negative or dangerous experience would be taken into account per individual.
Individuals interested in the psychedelic experience would be introduced to it safely in a system similar to skydiving, in which the first few times you at required to go in tandem with a more experienced jumper, not only teach you the correct way to do it, but to make you more comfortable with the experience and more likely to have positive results in the future.
This is very similar to some native American rites of initiation, in which the shaman of the tribe guides those he deems ready for an experience. This has been successful for thousands of years in tribal cultures.

I believe this is the same way the experience should be spread even today, the current legal climate notwithstanding Those spreading the experiences must be ninja-shamans tho, and be particularly careful with those whom they initiate also I must stress these substances should be givin as gifts to bring others to higher states of consciousness, and never abused for the motive of profit!

I believe these substances have enormous potential for widespread positive change if introduced in the correct manner to the public! While as many have stated negative experiences are inevitable for some, the vast majority are avoidable and due to incorrect set and setting and irresponsible use. That could be practically eliminated if a system such as this were to be implemented. Think of a world in which the majority of people had experienced non-duality and therefore worked with each other, not competed against each other.
Big dreams

No need to contemplate - here we are, doing just that!

Indeed, but those with knowledge and expertise and positive intention need to go out in the world and be proactive ninja-shamans. We can only reach so many through this site. I've iniatiated many many who would have never known how to begin to take the first steps, and have so changed the direction of their lives. Share it with those who will determine the course of the future. Undergrads and teachers and lawyers and judges. Establish a good name and reputation for yourself and use them to positively influence those around you. Set examples and radiate your inner positivity. Act as a light to illuminate others

Well, you are asking for trouble with this MO. Please make sure you read our policy regarding reckless spreading. In my humble opinion it is not our duty to 'turn on' the masses. People should instead seek what they wish to find.

Please read carefully no intimation was ever givin about reckless spreading. Without a legal system in place, more than a casual relationship is required with a potential initiate to gauge if their ready for whatever experience about to be shared. I'm saying illuminate the masses. And by masses i mean everyone you know that could benefit from the experience, not randoms on the street. Thought i made that clear. Turn on has such a negative connotation and I'm not the next Timothy Leary

I support a similar style of initiation as Nick Sand In Moving into the Sacred World of Dmt.(highly recommended read)
Mr. Sand claims to have discovered the ability of freebase dmt to be vaporized to obtaine a short yet intense psychedelic experence, and is truly one of my idols. A true hero, he claims no regret for the things he has done to illuminate the masses. I only wish a system had been in place to more safely spread his works to those ready for it

FutureMan,

It looks like we already had this conversation with you last year. You seem to be on some kind of mission to spread DMT and this is not welcome here. Please see the previous thread on the subject to avoid repeating ourselves.

Using Dmt to change the world

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Either what I'm saying is being misinterperated, or there is a fatal elitism going on in which the spread of information is being discouraged. Once again read my posts. I adamently encourage careful consideration of all factors, such as medical history and drug or diet interactions, mental stability and past trauma, as well as careful selection of set and setting. If first experiences are undertaken in manner such as this, risk of a negative experence is practically eliminated. Saying you want everyone to have to find out on their own is like saying everyone should be their own pharmacist. There are many many people who could benifit from such experiences yet will never even know about them beause they have no internet connection.There is a reason shamans and gurus exist. Sometimes those with more experience have to act as guiding lights to those who don't know the way

Those who are on this site are blessed with the resources to access the internet and were fortunate enough to be led here some way or another. It's our responsibility to lead others

I feel you are misinterperating my method of administration a1pha, despite my attempt to communicate it. I respect you opinion and like I said fear your aren't fully understanding mine. Does anyone else grasp what I'm trying to convey?

It sounds like you're saying you want to spread the word about DMT to the masses.

We do, though I doubt that you fully understand what we are trying to communicate to you.

I have read your other thread again and you seem to come here only for confirmation and not for dialog. A dialog means that you are willing to understand and accept the stance of others.

In the other thread you did not answer very important questions from other members and seemed to avoid other solutions than your own.

Also your remarks about fatal elitism sounds like you think that since we do not fully agree with you we must be against you.

Open your mind and opportunity to understand a bit more about the bigger picture. Things are not as simple as what you are trying to communicate here. listen to what other people stated in this and the other thread. Please think about it and try to understand it before you start to play that stuck record of you again.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Hello traveler. I guess I must be misunderstanding what is trying to be communicated to me. I have taken into account the responses in the last thread, and have changed my plan of action accordingly. Would you mind quoting those questions I left unanswered so that I might more fully explained myself? Notice my insistence on familiarity with the potential initiate. As well as more clearly stressing the need for consideration of medical complications and psychological well being beforehand. Am I to understand the only people who are worthy of sharing the knowledge and experence of dmt with are those who have been led to your site? I ask this seriously, with no sarcasm intended. Passive compilation of knowledge can benefit only those with access to it. Proactive yet careful dissemination of this knowledge is essential for it to do the good it has the potential do do. I have shared my insights into the nature of reality, and how I was led to them, with my mother and grandmother. It started them on spiritual journies they would have never undertaken on their own, without me, whom they trust, talking with them about it. I'm saying to share it with all those close to you who would benefit. Tell me what I'm doing wrong please. I say this with all respect, for I value all this site has taught me

And I come to this site as I come to all things in life. With love and the intention of trying to add positivity to it

It sounds like you are saying a few different things, that are also slightly contradictory to each other. Mainly due to the use of your words. Example:



Widespread... defined as "Found or distributed over a large area or number of people." This contradicts what you say in quote 2 and 4.



Being "ninja-shaman" would entail, im assuming, doing the same as the current shamans but at a faster rate. And more precise as you say. Which those two things also contradict eachother. Faster would be less precise.



This would require mass spreading in a less efficient way, or waiting for a long time. Point 1 sounds like your way, point 2 sounds like the way it is already happening.



Don't really understand what this even means. Regardless of any legal system more than a casual understanding of someone is required in order to be able to guage approximately if a psychedelics is for someone, and even then you still dont really know.



Your definition of masses is what is confusing this whole thing I believe. Everyone I know, is already knowledgeable of my DMT use, quite a few of them have dosed. But I also dont know a mass of people, and even though some of them are interested in DMT they are not nearly as passionate as I am.

The problem with your "idea" is that it's much like drug dealing. Cause basically thats what your doing except your not selling drugs you would be administering them. Speeding up the process that is already happening wouldn't be wise IMO. I know it would be great to see the world change NOW, but it seems like you are looking for instant gratification. Real change has to happen slowly so that it can really sink in and become permanent.

We are already basically doing what you are outlining. So not quite sure what your idea really is besides wanting to make it happen faster. Doctors, chemists, probably even lawyers and judges and police man and mothers and fathers and so on and so forth ALL join this site everyday. It IS spreading. People don't need help to find THEIR path, you have to be in search of YOUR path first. I guarantee there are quite a few people who will still oppose the use of these drugs even with scientific data to back up its safety.

What exactly do you think this will accomplish that isnt already happening?

I think we can all agree DMT is an amazing thing. I think most of us will agree psychedelics are our birthright and a very important part of the human experience. I believe we all are amazed by this experience and naturally we want to be able to share it. I also think that we understand it must be shared intelligently and mindfully when we do choose to share it.

Where I see a difference of opinion here is in the methodology. FutureMan says people need to be proactive out in the real world carefully playing ninja shamans turning people on, spreading the gospel of the dimethyl. I understand that feeling and I can sympathize somewhat, and I appreciate how he has made an effort to stress how this should be done carefully and prudently. However I think he's still missing the idea behind the site attitude and the general consensus other members have been trying get across.

That consensus is this: Simply that DMT is there, the information is here. Anyone who wants to can take the time to learn how to extract this substance. Everything one needs is available to anyone who wishes to pursue it. This being the case, there is no need to actively put oneself and others at risk in the real world trying to go around turning people on and spreading the message. This raises an important moral question as well, who are we to decide someone else is ready to encounter this powerful, often life-changing, transformative experience?

The point is, internet connection or not, those who really wish to find DMT can, and will; you don't need to go around spreading the gospel, you don't need to ninja shaman the world into higher consciousness, you just have to sit back and let things take their course. Others are already doing the job of spreading the good word, The Spirit Molecule documentary has and will reach millions and millions more people than any ninja shaman could ever hope to. Those who feel the call will put in the effort and will find the medicine for themselves. If you truly want to help guide others into this experience, spend some time right here helping teach and support the exponentially growing number of self-selected seekers we have joining this site all the time.

Thanks for the concerns listed anrchy, they're easier to respond to than vague dissproval!

I mean widespread as in I'm not one of the few who's doing it, but everyone with the right experence and knowledge is sharing it with those who are close, have been properly vetted, and could benefit from the experence. This would be much more efficient than waiting on those you know could benefit to perhaps find their own way.

To address line 2' not only are ninjas quick and precise, they are also secretive and move about in the shadows, accomplishing their goals subtly without the wider world being aware of their moves. So when I say to be a ninja, I mean that you always keep in mind the legal ramifications, and so do your work out of the sight of those who would disapprove. And quickness doesent automatically mean imprecise. I'm a fencer, and when you fence your strikes have to be surgical and lightning quick to prevail against your adversary. Such is needed to prevail against the negativity encroaching on society.

To address the rest, why must change be slow? Why should we wait on things to happen rather than try and be proactive and manifest our desires. As long it happens gracefully, why cant it happen fast? If we all were to do as much as we could in as graceful a manner and with as much expertise as possible, keeping in mind safety and subtly to protect from government and negative experiences, so much more would be possible. We are the ones were waiting for. We just have to be the professionals we know we can be. And like I said, I'm not setting out paths in stone for people to follow, but trying to act as a lighthouse leading in the right direction

ANd I'm not even saying to share dmt with everyone! I'm saying share the knowledge of it being the spirit molecule and to start to lead people to start to look into it themselves. There are untold amounts of people whom have had religious or psychedelic experiencs that they have no explanation for besides what convention religions tell them. If they have been raised to have an unquestioning faith in whatever their religion tells them, they will unfairly have been withheld this knowledge and will never have the desire to seek out the truth, unless someone helps illuminate them. There is so much potential good that can be done that isn't out of fear or persecution and prosecution. We have to be better than those that seek to hold everyone subservient and in the dark. A new era is being birthed, and we have a responsibility to midwife it with the best of our abilities. Why shouldn't everyone try and be as proactive as Dr. Strassman ?I'll say again. We are the ones we've been waiting on.