I was also always adding mapacho to those brews, so maybe that made me even sicker. The nausea with those brews for me is always associated with this sense of internal movement..like when I close my eyes I am flying through space. Once I can remember flying up the base of a giant tree that extended up past the clouds. With eyes open it is usually the entire room that is moving. It is like the psychedelic version of car sickness.

I have also since realized that you can achieve the same level of harmala experience pretty easily by smoking crystalized harmalas. The nausea. tracers and internal movement are all there it just does not last so long. Sooner or later I am going to smoke a large visionary dose of harmalas and then vape just like 5mg of DMT 30 minutes later and see how similar it is to the really vine heavy brews with admixture.

^..wow..you are certainly a voyager jamie..
yeah mapacho's not going to lessen the nausea (tobacco has MAOI properties itself)

i've begun a diet thread based on our discussion..

nen, did you also go into these deep states with higher doses of passiflora extract?

^..passiflora (once it's a big enough dose to orally activate) is the most dreamy MAOI i've tried..it was more like a higher dose caapi at it's threshold dose (300-400grams for incarnata) ..i've never gone above 500g..i suspect it's because of the high flavonoid content..very dreamy and makes all the visions kind of 'floral'..takes the geometric edge off..

actually, i'm still waiting for more people to achieve success with passiflora so i can hear them comment on the difference..
Gracie & Zarkov said it was the most sedative and hypnotic high (or words to that effect) compared to caapi/p. harmala, rating p. harmala as the 'clearest high'..

that sounds really good. I don't have enough for oral doses yet and don't want to buy it really..I like to work with the passiflora I grow so I can get to know it's potency and also because I don't have any incarnata growing and that's all I see being sold dry..and I cant find live incarnate at any nurseries..just caerulea and atropurpurea.

Im going to concentrate all the leaf and stems I have though and make changa with it. I really like my passiflora changa but I have not made it super concentrated yet.

I have experimented with the above harmala smoking prior to vaping DMT: I smoke harmalas and tobacco until I see tracers and other visual distortions, then switch to DMT. In my not-at-all-scientific L.A.B it seems to turn it into an odd combination of aya and vaporizing DMT, duration via the clock seems to stretch into 10-60 minutes per dose of DMT.

Subjective time is another matter altogether.