Hello all

Simple question really, i am new to mushrooms and had my first trip with my GF and 2 good friends yesterday. It was awesome i will not elaborate on it as there are tons of trip reports out there, if i say it made us better friends and got us closer you get my meaning

Anyways this was a treat from a friend and now that i know mushrooms can be so awesome i want to grow some not for sale but for use with friends like this.
I have been searching the net for best shroom strains but everyone has a different opinion so i just guessed to try my luck here.

What i am looking for is low body load. I dont mind if it is not as potent or strong as other mushrooms i can just take a bit more but the body load can be a bit discomforting any of you have any ideas or recommendations?

Thanks in advance

Somewhere in the mushroom section there is a thread about effects of a few different strains.

I am personally going to try Mazatapec, B+, and golden teacher. I've heard good things about all three.

I've had Amazonians and they seemed fairly low on the body load, and were visual. Although I only had them once so i cannot really say for sure.

Hello Matta!

I'm always very happy if a first-timer likes the effects of a mushroom-trip very much. I'm glad you want to follow this up by growing your own.

What kind of body-load did you experience during this trip? The only body-load I have had on shrooms is the nauseaus feeling. This is discomforting indeed, but to me it has happened on every mushroom-trip I've had so far. After a couple of trips you'll get used to this and know that this feeling is just a feeling to be ignored.

To me smoking some weed usually helps a bit. However, this always makes my headspace more chaotic (and the trip more intense), something you may or may not be looking for.

Taking deep breaths also helps a bit. It won't make the feeling go away, but will make the feeling more comfortable.

When feeling very uncomfortable, do either of these two things:
- Lay down, close your eyes and, if this feels comfortable, put some music on. Try to concentrate on something outside your body: the music, the visuals or your thought patterns.
- Change your setting drastically. Go outside / go for a walk / try to run / close your eyes / open your eyes / dance / change the way you interact with people / play a game on a game-console (<-- could be a LOT of fun, depending on your mindstate and on the game)

What I actually meant to say, was: I think the amount of bodyload is more dependent on set, setting and chance than it is on type of mushroom. I could be wrong in this and would gladly be pointed out the opposite!

In my country, mushrooms were legally sold in shops up until some years ago (after some incidents of mostly drugs tourists using them disrespectful). Since they have become illegal, these shops now sell a substitute called 'Truffels' or 'Sclerotia' I think, which mostly have the same effects as mushrooms. They are labeled like this image: http://www.thunderrocks....cybe_truffels_poster.jpg
In my experience, these effect labels are complete nonsense and should be substituted by "strength: ....."

What is also sold in these shops in growkits for actual mushrooms. For a beginning grower, these are great as an introduction to growing shrooms. Actually, the only thing you have to do is pour water in it, wait, pour the water out, put it in a bag and close the bag. But most importantly: keep it clean! Although a very easy method, it's a great starting point.

This is why I do recommend this type of growkit to you. I know that everybody in Europe can order this type of growkits online. Don't know about the rest of the world though.

Although this post doesn't answer your question, I hope it does help you somehow!
Enjoy growing and enjoy tripping!

My favorite have always been Penis Envy. They dont give as much of a body load for me as some other mushrooms that I have tried, such as golden teachers and Cambodian Cubes.

I also was once told when I had some Penis Envy not to eat more then 2g tops...I decided he just didnt know what he was talking about and I ate the 3.5g...

I proceeded to leave my body and go into a different world for about 2 hours...

Edit: Making a tea with them mushrooms can reduce body load a lot as well. Just put some crushed up mushrooms in a bottle, cover with lemon juice til about 1cm above shroom material, and shake this around for a minute or two. Then add some almost boiling water to the bottle, cap, and shake for 15-20 minutes.

Strain out the mushroom material with a coffee filter and a funnel and enjoy! If you make this, I found that splitting it into two doses, and adding some tropicana grape juice, makes for a deliciously tasty magical beverage! Add the same volume of grape juice as there is mushroom tea.

Dont have to split into two doses, thats just what I have to do with the size bottles I use in order to fit any juice into the mix

it is all good.

i don't think there is really a drastic difference between strains

i have had great experiences with thai, tasmanian, and hawaiian.

i hear great things about teonanacatl, golden teacher, south american, syzygy, and wollongong.

i have also been recommended south american (for large sized fruits), amazonian(for reasons unspecified), cambodian (for potency), and orissa (unspecified).


but again, i don't think the difference is that drastic.

Ive recently tried Cambodian, Tasmanian, and Z strands which are supposed to be the most visual in the World. They were amazing I discovered I needed less than a gram of those varieties to have a good visual trip.

I use albinas a+, I love the color!

Exactly. Mushroom teas have always felt super clean to me. I don't get too much body load to begin with, even on large doses. But when I make a tea I never experience any body load.

That said, I think it's part of the experience. If it's extremely heavy and uncomfortable, perhaps hindering you from going as deep as you would like, I can see the sense. Just make a nice hot lemony shroom beverage and sip away

As was already said, I found the Amazonian strain I grew about two years ago to be very low body load but still potent.

Tremendous amount of information thanks for all the replies i got the basic concept i think now all i gotta do is find a good spore vendor but thats not hard

Aside from mutant strains such as Penis Envy, a cube is a cube. Spores from a single syringe/print grown out on both same and different substrates along with various other growth factors can yield widely different shapes and shades of fruits. Concerning potency, harvest just before or as the veil breaks and dry without prolonged exposure to air.

Beta Pinene from Lemon/Lime essential oils can quell serotonergic nausea (really only required on high doses), and making tea avoids nausea induced by shroom chitin.

Anyone else tried the McKennaii strain? it's very potent i found.
I know what you're saying that a cube is a cube but i really have found the different types of cubes to have different potencies and different characteristics.
I've grown and eaten 11 different types of psil mushies mostly cubes but also cyans an libs
with love
Sympatico

the shroom chitin isn't causing the nausea, it's the 5HT3
agonism you alluded to. I made a tea from a rotavap'd
methanol extraction, and I still couldn't keep it down

I believe the chitin has something to do with it as well, at least for me. I have IBS and it is hard to digest certain things, causing very bad stomach pains. When I cut out the chitin by making a tea, I can take large doses and have almost next to nothing in the ways of stomach discomfort or nausea.

If I were to eat even a half gram to a gram however, by just chewing and swallowing them, I would become very sick. I get terrible stomach pains and end up in the fetal position for a few hours wondering why I did this to myself. One time I just laid on the couch staring at the tv, not really watching as I intended too, but more so staring past it into a darkness trying to forget the pain I was going through.

But again, this is probably just because of my existing intestinal issues. Make a tea and consume some ginger with said tea and I am good to go.

I just tried a batch of McKenna's and I chose them because of the name but they have been very much (low on visuals, low on body load...all in all...tame)

Now your Thai strain is my cuppa tea (pun intended)...good visuals...huge body load...properly NICE!

That said, nothing comes close to the good ol' UK Liberty Cap...especially when picked in a fog laden field at 5am with sheep a plenty giving you a chorus of "Baaa's" and going home and measuring out your intake in hundreds instead of Erowid recommended grams

I've tried several strains and I've always liked koh samui. Visuals were real nice. Right now I use a dried blend of several strains ground into a powder.
Ive never tried penis envy though I heard it's a pain to grow.



That sounds like so much fun. Especially with good friends. I'd love to do that.

Seems to me diet in the week leading up to dosage, activity level and hydration play a larger part than anything in perception of nausea. But yeah, 5ht3 receptors will make you want to turn inside out if stimulated enough.

Lemon essential oil and ginger to a lesser extent are saviours for me, but I think a scopolomine patch behind the ear is something I need to personally test next.

In my opinion, nothing beats the hawaiian Panaeolus cyanescens, also known as Copelandia cyanescens.
Low body load, not to hard on the mind, extreme visuals.
Never felt a hint of anxiety or fear.

doesn't matter if they're hawaiian or texan (yup, we have them too).
panaeolus cyanescens has a global distribution throughout the subtropical regions, and the potencies are identical.

From memory, the Shroomery has a useful calculator.
Select what level you wish to reach, which strain you have, and it will advise a non-MAOI and MAOI fresh/dry dosage.
It's pretty sweet.
And I`d suggest making a tea, tea > eating mushroom whole...especially for nausea.