Hello Community...

It's been quite a while... i guess 3-4 years...

I started yesterday again with some extracting, but i think i totally messed up.

My big problem is: The MHRB is around 3-4 years old (well powdered).
Is that stuff not good anymore??

I tried to extract from 450 g of MHRB and my first pull almost brought nothing but yellow goo (Lazyman tek)
I did it some years ago always the same way and i yielded perfectly white cristals...

Do you think i should buy new MHRB? Is the lye too old? did i use not enough water (2,5 Litre)

did i pull not so clean Naphta?

I just can't find an answer, maybe you guys can help me?

Regards

Contact

Are you evaporating your solvent or using freeze precipitation?

i evap...

When i did it all these years ago, i got the most perfect crystals with evaping... the only thing i changed today was, that i used way more MHRB in less water... maybe that's the problem?

Yeah, ran into the same issues. I don't know your full procedure so I'm kinda of blind to some parts of your situation.

I'll give it my best shot.

Trying getting your batch (water, lye, bark, naphtha) cold in the freezer for a good 10-20 minutes. Take it out and give it a good "figure 8" shake. Let it sit. The layer seperation will be slow. (since it's cold)

After about 8-10 hours of letting it sit. Pull and freeze.

Tell me how that goes and we'll shoot from there.

By the way, Contact.

Are you in the northern hemisphere or southern?

The reason I'm asking is because in my experience; higher temperatures are more difficult to form crystal in.

And by higher temperatures I'm talking about seasonal temperatures; summer, fall, winter, and spring. Hence hemisphere question.

Thanks for your help.

We have Summer right now, i live in europe... it's a hot summer, so maybe that could be a reason aswell

For the freezer is my batch sadly too big... i'll give it another try with that batch tomorrow... if it didn't work out well, well, than i maybe should leave it for the moment...

i just hope that my MHRB still is good and has enough spice in it. i still have 3 kilo and it would be such a waste to throw that away

Keep your head up. I have a feeling it is still potent.

Thanks for the update, man.

Don't throw your bark out! Always try to pull something from it!

FAQ answers the OP's questions.

been reading the FAQ for the last hour

still didn't got my final answer but i think: i used too much bark in not enough water (450g mhrb in 2,5 litres water)

PH was fine, but maybe the lye didn't have enough time to break the bark and split out the spice.

So, i let it stand for a while so it can soak long enough. Meanwhile i try a smaller batch with correct proportions of MHRB/lye/water

Your dmt is in the goo, just recrystallize as per FAQ instructions and then try this:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...ystals_after_freezing.3F

Tell us if it works fine

Dont throw anything away till you're done, your DMT can always be recovered.

Thank you. I'll give it a try...

what me also concerns... out of 450g mhrb i should pull out muuuuch more (even if it is goo) than what i got there...

When i did it 3-4 years ago, i always pulled approx. 1% with the first pull... so, isn't that a sign, that the mhrb doesn't supply as much as back then?

Did you weigh the goo? Apparent size is often misleading with oils, they seem like little but are very heavy.

nope, maybe i should have... i dissolved it in acetone and mixed it with some herbs now. I need it tomorrow because of a promise...

well, i'll see what i can do with the rest and what i get out of that one...

i now prepared a new batch with exact proportions like mentioned in Noman's Tek.

I'll let the other batch stand for a week or so and hope that i get a better result out of it next week.

ALWAYS do more than one pull. 1% from a single pull?

I pull until I get nothing in the last 2 pulls. Also, dissolve what you have in some warm naphtha and freeze precip it. You dont have to do it all in one big batch, if you have to divide it up a little.

I see no reason let the soup sit for a lengthened amount of time. Just do more pulls. Divide it up so you can do 100ml pulls. I found that size of pull to be the best.

I used 100g for 100ml of naptha. Best results for me.

Great advice, this is exactly how I do it with great results.

I'm not sure why it wasn't mentioned yet but if you let mhrb or straight dmt sit out for long periods of time it starts to turn into dmt n-oxide. You may have this problem. Which is probably true. or it could be any number of things. Lol

This DMT to N-oxide conversion in plant matter is a theory that has (at least yet) no data to back up. Maybe it happens, maybe partially and slowly only.... But I don't think it does , though. At least my own tests of years-old material stored at room temperature did not reveal any n-oxide formation.

That's good. I've used bark that's about 6 months old but it was double vaccuum sealed and was kept in the dark. But I didn't know. Wish this guy would do a zinc-clean to put a little closure to this theory.

Endlessness, if the bark doesn't convert to n-oxide then when are you at risk of n-oxide problems?

Risk of n-oxide formation? I think only once you have your DMT in freebased form, and even then, it can take long and oxidation may be only superficial. Ive tested some DMT stored for a few months exposed to the sun, it noticeably got redder color and more oily (though still had some solid/crystals mixed) but when testing it, it was only small amount of n-oxide formed, most was still DMT in it's original form.