Hello nexians

just for interest sakes ive seen quite the amount of poly-drug users in here and was just curious as to what all you out there DONT take substance wise(not your diets,choice of tv-shows,religious concepts etc etc)and a reason if you want.

start with me

1.marijuanaersonal choice no bad view on the plant itself,just became a habit eventually to the point of being nothing else but that and i dont like habits i like hobbies more so cut it out completly(memory improved,daily tasks and work became more effecient)so i will continue.

2.Amphetamines:i dont like the lifestyle it leads to or the people you end up with(very anti MDMA aswell in my own bubble as for other people roll away)

3.Anti Depressantsont need them and witnessed the damage it can do,not a road i want to travel.

4.inhalants:I like my brain.

thats about it im sure not gonna go through a whole erowid list neither do i expect any too but this can be fun wating to hear from you all.

All the best to you.

i stay away from RCs especially.

but really synthetics in general (the only one i know offhand i would consider is LSD).

I have dabbled with RC's but i steered away eventually,mostly people playing and twisting shulgins toys whos either in university or some renegade who has the anarchist cookbook so its a wise choice to stay away

nice post good to see you are doing better brother

1. Research Chem's. Because I don't know enough about them. This includes fake weed

2. Methamphetamine. Because that is just not something I will do willingly

3. MDPV.

4. Marijuana to an extent. I find that once every couple months doesn't affect my memory or dreaming, both of which I've come very attached to. Plus it's super psychedelic now when done rarely

5. LSD. I don't trust anybody when they say the blotter or drop is LSD, if I ever get a way to test it and it is in fact, LSD, then I will partake again

6. Inhalants. I had 4 very dangerous experiences when I was a teenager

7. I dislike medication in general and try to avoid it if i can

mostly I have shifted over to plants completely... or synthetic compounds that mimic plants when the plants aren't around

I'm looking forward to having a good time with molly soon though, it's been a while. Almost more than a year

I'm sure there is quite a few things i have missed, but oh well

interesting thread,
1. RC's , i agree these just way too risky and potentially damaging, i learned this hard way while back, never again!
2. cocaine and heroin, never tried and never will, seen too many lives ruined
3. Alcohol, im prob loner here as usual with this one, dont like the taste or effects
4. Cigarettes, except natural tobacco on occation n ceremony
5. pharmaceuticals and methamphetamines,

pretty much just keeping it natural lately, the plants n their compounds for me just always felt right, but even plants need to say no sometimes since anything in life can become unhealthy once abused

All is much better brother Changalvia,soon back to square one though soon as the white coats get their S*** straight,Re-integration/Reconstruction.

Thus far the plants do seem like the more worth while friends being with us long before the chems,i found when i made more time for the plants its much more worthwhile and very rewarding in many directions,regardless of their very unpredictable nature.

Datura has a pretty bad rep though but i dont judge hehehe

You're not a loner, I neither do any of what you mention either, including alcohol.

Another i'd like to add to the list is deliriants, like datura. I'd rather not play with substances that are so risky in terms of toxicity and possibility of overdosing, plus physical dangers during the trip.

Agreed endlessness full fledged delirium is very risky business and not much to be gained life changing to some except maybe inducing a very more cautious attitude regarding consumption,micro dosage on the other hand is more friendly if its something a person is open too otherwise its no neccesity either

Pharma. Took a short adventure with these and it's prolly the only thing I regret doing in life.
MDMA. I'm just not a fan of what I have read. I'm sure it's fine a time or two but haven't seen enough information to show that it's not damaging.
Meth, coke, heroin. No way now way and now way. Although my pharma adv was basically heroin. I know the danger there is a strong one.
RC's. it's called a research chemical for a reason. Pretty sure ALL the supposed LSD I did was not infact LSD unfortunately.
Synthetics. If it were real LSD I would probably partake one more time, or my first time possibly. Other than that I'm not doin it.
Salvia. Sounds nice and all but it's not what I'm looking for and there's a bigger chance of danger than the ones I use.
Inhalants. I also had a dangerous experience with this once. Was the only time I ever inhaled anything and it was accidental.
Dileriants. It's not what in looking for.

I enjoyed Vic's and oxys because they made me feel really good. This was my issue. Although looking back at it now how the heck it felt good while nodding out trying to do my job is beyond me. But it was fun.

Drugs for me are now for spiritual and mental growth. I use them to learn and I'm pretty sure I have found which ones are helpful while stayin away from the ones that are not. I also allow myself to enjoy them while I am on them as well. It's fun to trip out as well as fun to fix yourself.

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Great topic, Changafarian!

Turns out my list of to-be-avoided-drugs is amazingly similair to yours, except for Cannabis & LSD.


My list of drugs to-be-avoided(in no particulair order):

1. Any and all Amphetamines, MDMA included. Allthough I have had a period in my life
in which I enjoyed MDMA dearly and used it wrecklessly, I have renounced it, because of
it's significantly harmfull effects. The lifestyle it often leads to is one of mindless & wreckless hedonism; A sort of neurotic pleasure quest that has this undertone of profound sadness fear, escapism/denial & Animosity.
I know moderate and mindfull MDMA use exists, but it is quite rare indeed. Furthermore, MDMA is known to be quite harmfull to the brain. I like my brain.
Pretty much all other Amphetamines are about as addictive as Heroin; No drug that has such addictive potential is ever worth whatever effects it may give IMO.


2.Cocaine: For much the same reasons I avoid Amphetamines, but then Cocaine has the added risk of making people fall into the deepest depths of Megalomania. People who use cocaine frequently soon become very aggressive, insensitive & even sociopathic people.
I am thoroughly convinced that frequent enough Cocaine use can render many people Psychopaths, literally, Psychopaths;
It seems to inflate the Ego into a monster, blunting people off to the point they are no longer capable of an inch of Empathy. I would even go as far as to say long & frequent enough Cocaine use can gradually make many of it's users criminally insane. All this comes from personal observations from people on Cocaine all around me. And there are so many.
There's probably no drug I dispise more than Cocaine, for what effects it generally has on people: It brings out the worst in them.

3.Alcohol For much the same reasons as Cocaine: Horribly addictive, often induces
violent, harmfull behaviours. It reaks havoc on your kidney, liver and braincells.
It narrows consciousness; The opposite of what I seek in this life. Nothing about alcohol appeals to me.

4.Any and all Opiates; Horribly addictive, physically harmfull & consciousness narrowing leading to a life of addiction, depression & apathy. As with alcohol, nothing
about this entire class of drugs appeals to me. (I once heard Opium can give one amazingly vivid, lucid dreams. Even so I can't imagine it'd be worth risking a lifetime of addiction)

5.Deliriants like Datura/Brugmansia/Mandrake (Scopolamine & Atropine mainly I guess);
I value my (relative) sanity and my life. Enough said I suppose.

6. Pharma; Anti-Psychotic & Anti-depressant pharmacuiticals in particulair:
From personal experience I can testify that most of these substances are much
more likely to further hurt the troubled minded than heal them. Also many of these psychiatric agents do significant harm to the body: Kidney & liver damage, jaundice, Brain Damage, severe cardiac arythmia, increased oestrogen production in men(read: Men grow boobs), extremely low bloodpressure(to the point of constantly being JUST about to faint)..etc. Psychiatrists started drugging me since I was 9 years old.
They continuously fed me every anti-psychotic & anti-depressant known to man, untill I
finally decided no microgram of this series of pharmacuitical poisons would ever enter my body again when I was 21 or so. And I have been clean & MUCH more Happy and healthy ever since.

I won't say RCs, because I DEFENITELY see the therapeutical value of 2-CB and 2-CC,
both substances I tried. Not sure how healthy these 2 are for the body though.

It can also not be denied that LSD is an RC, but nevertheless
is LSD very therapeutically/Spiritually valuable and it's physically as good as harmless, perhaps on par with Cannabis in terms of toxicity. An LD50 exists, but is rediculously high.

That being said, there defenitely are quite a number of devastatingly toxic RCs out there.
Especially the newer ones that are appearing on the market and are innitially sold as "bath salts". I have heard very bad stories about many Research Chemicals, but the term Research Chemicals is just too broad & diverse to judge as a whole.

So I would say: Some RCs are defenitely safe & beneficial, while other RCs are best avoided if you value your physical & mental health.





PS: About your fear of LSD being impure: I thought about this too, but then wondered:
Let's say you're an immoral, greedy drug dealer that adulterate drugs to make more profits.
You might use a cheaper drug with somewhat similair properties to the 1 you're claiming to sell people, right?
Now do you know any cheap drugs that, in both terms of potency & effects, mimic LSD good enough to fool people into thinking it is LSD? I don't. I guess there are some analogues
of LSD, but they seem just as difficult & expensive to make as LSD itself.

What substance, other than LSD, is psychedelic in effect and, like LSD, is active in the range of a few 100 micrograms? No drug I can think of.

So it just wouldn't make economical sense to adulterate LSD blotters with another drug

My list is very similar to everyone else here.

1. Research Chems. There are no substitutes. RC's are simply substitutes for better substances, IMO.

2. Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, MDMA, LSD... (I would partake of LSD and MDMA again if I was confident of the purity.)

3. Alcohol.

4. Nicotine.

5. Any and all pharmaceuticals. OTC included. I won't even take a decongestant or something like ibuprofen.

6. Deliriants, inhalants, anything else rather silly and dangerous.

I basically live by the law that whatever I put into my body should, for the most part, be as close to nature intended as possible. I've experienced miraculous healing and huge positive changes from following this philosophy.

Can you please elaborate on your concern about LSD impurity, Dioxippus?
Why would LSD be impure? And impure with what?

Are you concerned that some incapable LSD chemist messed up his LSD-synthesis and laces blotters
with some harmfull halfproduct?

Or are you concerned some greedy chemists are lacing blotters with a highly potent, psychedelic,
but cheap substance and sell it as "LSD" to make more profit from it?
Like I said before; How would that be profitable?
Which drugs could pass for LSD? LSA? ALD? Some of the other Ergotamine-analogues made by Albert Hofmann &
Alexander Shulgin? Would any of these resemble LSD in terms of effects potency, yet be alot cheaper to synth? Cause unless it's cheaper to produce & more profitable to market, I don't see any motivation for a drug-chemist to synth a highly potent psychedelic drug & sell it as "LSD" when it isn't.



In the case an incapable LSD chemist messed up his synthesis and laced them with a toxic chemical:
Only very few toxins are even harmfull in microgram dosages,
so I see little harm that could come from consuming a blotter.
How much of any drug can you maximally get to soak into 1 blotter/tab, really?


I have felt that some of the LSD I ingested indeed wasn't pure. Wasn't quite LSD as I know it to be.
My suspicion: Those who sold it to me allways did a terrible job storing it: In some alluminium foil in a closet or worse: in their wallet. So I attributed much of the "impure" feelings to degradation of most LSD on the blotters.

But if I'm wrong and LSD-blotters can indeed contain dangerous contaminants, I'd like to know so do explain.

I'm sure they don't.

But middle men lie about blotter content all the time down here, surely it could be the same everywhere else

People have the same motives mostly?

You all seem to have a much greater knowledge about different kind of drugs than me. And that's also on the top of my list of drugs I will never take:

1. Drugs I do not have a proper amount of knowledge of. I need to know the effects, dangers, experience reports and dosage information from multiple trustworthy sources. Furthermore I need to fully trust that what I think I am taking, I am actually taking.

2. Crystal Meth, Heroine, Cocaine. These seem too addictive to me.

3. If possible, I would like to live a live without any pharmaceutical stuff. Most of this seems wrong to me. Painkillers like asprin or ibuprofen will hide your headache or stomach-ache, but I think these aches are good to have (above all, I believe we took them with us in evolution, which, to me, means they must have a use). Having a headache means something, and I think it is best to try to find out what it means, instead of hiding from it. It could mean you didn't drink enough, it could also mean you are allowing too much stress in your life. Same goes for a stomach-ache. Most of the times you have a stomach-ache, you have neglected enough care in what you eat. I see it as a punishment. A punishment that should teach me to be healthier.
I would only take pharmaceuticals, if a doctor prescribes them to me, and makes a convincing argument to me after I have thoroughly researched them.

At this moment, I can't think of anything else I would not take. I do know I would never, if a doctor didn't tell me to, put a needle inside me or put stuff in my eyes.

I think I can better state the things that I would take with the knowledge I have now: Cannabis, Psilocybin, LSD, MDMA, DMT, Alcohol, Cafeïne, Nicotine

As for cannabis, I love the plant and its effects, but sometimes it makes me dislike myself, because there are times when I lose moderate use and start smoking it daily.

A lot of you seem to dislike these things you call 'inhalants'. Does this also include Nitrous Oxide or is it just gluesniffing and those kind of things? Although I have never used it myself, I can't recall having heard of any significant toxic or addictive effects from Nitrous Oxide. If I am wrong in this, please do tell!

Great reply SKA yours make me look so lazy now

I do recall a previous agreement in a thread to the whole stimulant induced self complex with you

I love these LSD debates,far as i read a while back too before nexus,was an article,i will have to exhume it to back the claims but it was a while back and i cant remember quite how i got there(the usual bouncing from website to website)

but for now,it was also concerns of purity,where it was stated that even the LSD that was manufactured by Owsley Stanley was not itself as precise in purity and chemically correct to Hoffmans as it was a very complex synthesis and he was just a chemistry student,and was the one providing most of ken kesey's merry prankster events LSD,it might have been much more pure and more "LSD"then whats going around today but not quite the real deal.

Leary too stated that with the drug dealer LSD,"you dont know what you're getting back then and i have put 1 and 2 together with a doc i watched"beyond the within"which alot of you might be familiar with,there was a segment where they metioned him ordering a ridiculous amount from sandoz so i would geuss that was his source and it was the company hoffman worked with.

SOOO for humor sake you were left with the option back then,

1. a Leary party: purer LSD from the father itself and a rather crazy/good time in a more churchlike/doctrine fashion

2.Merry prankster party:Less pure helluva party live bands,titties and grass and GRASS(vice versa for female readers )and some other crazy gadgetry.

its a college student vs Scholar kind of dillema if i look at it from my perspective

@rickbreda

i like your perspective in 3 very different approach(good ol' fashion suffering)and i can hold it in the back of my head with daily life,basicly listening to your body telling you what it needs and doesnt all you need is the know to compensate for that call,and staying away from pharms with the less drastic pains(headaches,stomach etc)finding an alternative method could help improve tuning into that calling.Severe pain usually should be tended to with some tanks as pain itself is a bodily reaction to something it doesnt want to have a part of it so in severe cases it severely doesnt want that,and theres funny reactions to these like shock and perhaps more im not medically qaulified to state.

As for nitrous:http://www.justsayn2o.com/nitrous.dangers.html
Wasnt too sure myself that Dog has never been fed and literally starved to death to the point where i forgot it existed(im a bad person )with all the other dogs i did
Good you brought it up though kind of slipped
what i meant mostly(dont know about the others)was the glue fumes,benzine,butane,gasoline,terpentine and those bunch but i geuss you can include nitrous as i never really did or bothered too.

All n All nice reading your views man
All the Best

I don"t understand this.

I usually understand why i have a headache. 90% of the time it is due to alcohol the night before. But i am buggered if i am going to punish myself for it. It sounds a bit puritanical to me. I guess i am just a shallow person. Each to their own.

I went to the supermarket a couple of weeks ago and bought a cooked chicken and the man behind the counter was very vociferous in telling me that it had been cooked that morning. You know where this going to lead, as that night i was throwing my ring up and shitting through the eye of a needle. Should i punish myself for buying that chicken? I personally think the butcher is at fault. This particular supermarket is where all the poor people go and it was the first time that i went there, due to being a little financially challenged. Maybe i should punish myself for being poor.

As far as using a particular drug goes, you do your research through the various grapevines and decide for yourself. Most of them serve a purpose whether it be for medical reasons, spiritual or recreational. I think it very much depends on how you use them and how your subsequent relationship develops with them. Some are more likely to bite you on the arse than others.

It is nice to see all you people live a healthy and high quality life without these harmful substances. I for one only take the following:

Tobacco on occasion same with Alcohol
Salvia/DMT/LSA/Shrooms
Rarely weed

Most of you dislike mdma and i agree it has a bad reputation when it comes to health and brain damage but i like to use it. I don't feel any addictive effects but just to make sure i have a girlfriend who watches over me and makes sure i take MDMA maximum 2 times a year so it's working out perfectly

I didn't address your earlier statement about LSD purity, even though I was tempted Now, I suppose I must...

LSD is not easy, or cheap, to produce. Other similar substances are much easier to either synthesize or purchase in bulk. Where money is to be made, people will cut corners. And obviously it's cheaper to produce other psychedelic chems. The real difficulty in producing LSD, as far as I'm aware, is obtaining all the supplies necessary to pull it off. A lot of which are closely watched.

What concerns me is taking something I'm unsure of. Some random blotter from someone I hardly know (or even someone you trust and have known for years, doesn't matter) could certainly contain several different substances, besides LSD.

No offence, but I think it's a bit naive to think that street acid cannot contain anything but LSD and perhaps some residuals from the synthesis, that is if the chemist isn't the greatest. Most people aren't psychedelic connoisseurs like some of us here They wouldn't be able to tell the difference if they don't have much prior experience. As long as it doesn't make people feel too horrible, or kill anyone, people will push it as LSD.

I knew a dealer when I was younger who would "wash" his sheets of acid before he sold them. He would pull some of the LSD from them and then try to replace it with weird psychedelic chems he could find online. And that's just some dirty dealer. If the chemist himself was anything like that, well, you get the picture.

Unless I was able to see the lab, meet the chemist, I probably wouldn't do any blotter or liquid or anything that was being presented as LSD. I have much more peace of mind with mushrooms I've grown myself or something I've extracted myself.