It was just an article posted by a professor of astronomy.

It wasn't a serious article that was trying to be published so I do understand why the author didn't really cite anything. I actually wouldn't expect serious scientists or astronomer's to waste their time debunking all of this stuff because they really do have better things to do. But some have written about it such as the man who wrote that article.

And this one:

http://www.universetoday.../19/no-doomsday-in-2012/

This article attempts to debunk more of the doomsday prophecies. It does not discuss the dmt connection that people here rave about. Those are even vauger and make even less sense. Especially all that crap that Terrance Mckenna wrote about. His time wave thing is just stupid and he got wailed on for it by serious mathematicians.

Many of the claims about 2012 prophecies can be easily debunked if given time and effort.

Where is the basis for all this? I want someone to explain that to me. I don't see any basis. But people always accuse me of being closed minded and only looking at it from a scientific point of view. But I see no other way of looking at it. People keep pointing out websites and things but they are all loaded with crap. Whenever someone brings up a serious argument peoples reaction is "piss off scientist" and I am getting sick of that. Defend your arguments.

I don't know much about what Mayan scholars say about all this. But I doubt any honest scholars really think mayans are predicting the end of the world or a galactic shift in consciousness. The scholars who want to make money selling books and getting people interested in their research have a vested interest in publishing these rediculous books. I want to see peer reviewed articles by mayan scholars who back up these claims. Books from the metaphysics section at borders dont count in my world.

dimensional / vibrational / consciousness shift. don't believe the doom and gloom BS.

People like to throw out these terms. But what do they mean? How could they happen? What is the basis for believing in them? Those questions are very rarely seriously even asked.

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check this out, link below---http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4951448613711060908

2012 enigma

Yo Burnt, guess what scientist(astronomers) today are noticing. A complete change with every planet in our solar system, including our sun.

Sun: Higher activity since 1940 than at any time in previous 11,000 years

Mercury: Unexpected polar ice discovered, along with a surprisingly strong intrinsic magnetic field … for a supposedly “dead” planet

Venus: 2500% increase in auroral brightness, and substantive global atmospheric changes in less than 30 years

Earth: Substantial and obvious world-wide weather and geophysical changes

Mars: “Global Warming,” huge storms, disappearance of polar icecaps

Jupiter: Massive internal warming, over 200% increase in brightness of surrounding plasma clouds

Saturn: Major decrease in rotational speed in only ~20 years, accompanied by surprising surge of X-rays from equator

Uranus: “Really big, big changes” in brightness, increased global cloud activity

Neptune: 40% increase in atmospheric brightness

Pluto: 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, even as Pluto drifts away from the Sun

Works cited=http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-27-2004_Interplanetary_Part_2/InterplanetaryDayAfter-Part2.htm

There is going to be a cosmic alignment between our sun and the Galactic Equator.

Oh and what do you know about the gaps in our evolutionary theories. So scientist see that these gaps exists because there are spikes in evolutionary species(there are huge gaps, jumps in evolution) that happen around every 26 million years. Is the galaxy affecting human evolution? If so what does 2012 say? Maybe another peak in evolution. More facts in later post.

Radiation affects dna, that is more evidence here in this video, just watch it, and watch the whole thing, then tell me something skeptical, cause this man has scientific evidence, exactly what you want. love you

oh and how about this evidence, The first identified astronomical radio source was one discovered unexpectedly in the early 1930’s when Karl Guthe Jansky, an engineer for Bell Telephone Laboratories, was investigating static that interfered with short wave transatlantic voice transmissions(Emberson 1307;Southworth 56;Drake 759). Using a large directional antenna, Jansky noticed that his recording technique kept picking up a repeating signal of unknown origin. Since the signal peaked once a day, after many years Jansky suspected that the source of the interference was the sun. Continued analysis demonstrated that the source was not following the 24 hour cycle for the rising and setting of the sun but instead it was repeating on a cycle of 23 hours and 56 minutes(Southworth 5. By comparing his observations with optical astronomical maps, Jansky concluded that the radiation was coming from the Milky Way and was strongest in the direction of the center of the galaxy, he announced this discovery in 1933. Jansky wanted to investigate the radio waves from the Milky Way further but Bell Labs re-assigned Jansky to another project, so he did not continue in the field of astronomy. His discovery was ignored for sometime by professional astronomers because his observations were at variance with the popular picture of the universe and physics at the time(Drake 759).

Works cited;
Drake, F. D. "A Review of the History, Present Status, and Course of American Radio Astronomy." 15 June 1963. JSTOR. 4 Nov. 2008 <http://www.jstor.org/stable/info/71755?seq=1&search=yes&term=history&term=radio&term=astronomy&list=hide&searchuri=%2faction%2fdoadvancedsearch%3fq0%3dradio%2bastronomy%26f0%3dall%26c0%3dand%26q1%3dhistory%26f1%3dall%26c1%3dand%26q2%3d%26f2%3dall%2>.

Southworth, George C. "Early History of Radio Astronomy." Feb. 1956. JSTOR. 4 Nov. 2008 <http://www.jstor.org/stable/22076?&search=yes&term=history&term=radio&term=astronomy&list=hide&searchuri=%2faction%2fdoadvancedsearch%3fq0%3dr adio%2bastronomy%26f0%3dall%26c0%3dand%26q1%3dhistory%26f1%3dall%26c1%3dand%26q2%3d%26f2%3dall%26c2%3dand%26q3%3d>.

Emberson, Richard M. "National Radio Astronomy Observatory." 13 Nov. 1959. JSTOR. 4 Nov. 2008 <http://www.jstor.org/stable/1756849?&search=yes&term=history&term=radio&term=astronomy&list=hide&searchuri=%2faction%2fdoadvancedsearch%3fq0%3 dradio%2bastronomy%26f0%3dall%26c0%3dand%26q1%3dhistory%26f1%3dall%26c1%3dand%26q2%3d%26f2%3dall%26c2%3dand%26q3%>.

Interesting that they took him off the project. hmm nobody accepted his discovery. or did higher powers not want the public to know, you for example, that the galaxy emits radiation that affects human dna. hmm

well guess what, one study done recently showed a 400 % increase in psychic abilities at the peak of this radiation when the person faced the center of the galaxy. again that's in the above video, I think, its been a while.

psychic ability in mysticism is closely related to the pineal gland, or third eye, which is also where DMT is released and produced in small amounts. Strassman, The Spirit Molecule.

So that's just a little bit of scientific evidence, hope it satisfies your pallet.

This guy is a freakin genius! Like Joseph Smith.



Yeah this guy talks some kinda stuff about triangles and the great red spot. So what? If you are really curious about solar system scale changes do some real research. Don't be afraid to just contact researchers with questions. Most are very generous with their knowledge.



I know a bit about natural history. What gaps? Did you know many of the 'gaps' in the fossil record have been filled. What 26ky cycle? There is no such stable cycle preserved in the fossil record, you have been deceived.



lol, cosmic background radiation does NOT affect DNA. Don't take my word for it. Try to find real evidence for this. Learn for yourself what is cosmic background radiation and what is DNA.

Intense ionizing radiation can give you cancer. If you shoot it at your gonads your kids WILL be different but I would't recommend it.




An important lesson: science is flawed by the bias of it's practitioners. This is why major paradigms change slowly. This can take decades. This radiation was analyzed. I forget the name of the PI that lead the initial mapping but she was able to use infra-red and radio astronomy to chart the stars hurtling around the center of the galaxy. Astoundingly, this lead her to the conclusion that the gaalaxy has a super massive back-hole at it's core. Beautiful discovery. Too bad for Jansky but he didn't have the necessary computers anyway. Too bad for us these beautiful discoveries aren't properly celebrated.

I want to believe that there is a monster in the Loch, that Jesus loves me and that I will become energy in 2012. I can see why other people would want to beleive these things too.

Maybe these are nice stories. I like them. I just don't like when these people distort science to their ends. This is an evil that weakens people individually and in groups.

I mean, wave-mechanics are cool as hell. It is really good for your brain to learn wave-mechanics. It cheapens the richness of your experience if you neglect to learn wave-mechanics and instead learn the intricate details of some trippy ontological theory based on mechanics you don't understand.

It also cheapens your journey to lust for some transcendence you cannot build in your own mind.


I want to have some hard testable predictions on hand before 2012. I bet as the date approaches the predictions get increasingly soft and easily fulfilled.

Okay sorry let me fix up some things and clear up miss understandings.

I got some things mixed up, let me try again with some works cited this time. There are cycles seen and spikes in evolution, as my chart added above shows one cycle of 62 million years. I will argue that these spikes are due to forces, radiation being one example, that manipulate DNA, in this case, and cause mass evolution. Let me find some of my works cited and get back.



First off, I was not talking about Cosmic microwave background radiation, or any of that phenomenon that exists 13. billion or whatever light years away, which I don't think you are referring too anyway. I was talking about the supposed gamma waves that are coming directly from the center of our galaxy, which may or may not affect our DNA, although it does increase our psychic abilities, which shows it does affect us somehow.


As for the DNA affected by radiation I have this information from divinecosmos.com of David Wilcock. Here is one link linky

here is another
David Wilcock



As for my statement of 26,000 year cycles, I made a big/little mistake, its 26 million, and this correlates to something, not axis cycle of planet, but something that is cycling in our galaxy which is causing this. Scientific evidence for this argument, and a better explanation can be found at the David Wilcock link above.

peace

This experiment is rubbish. It is not described in any peer-reviewed scientific article I could find. I would love to know how exactly he did that so that I can repeat it and see if it is valid.

But even though the experiment is actually true, the interpretation given to it is poor. It's like the joke with the experimenter who takes a frog, and orders the frog to jump; the frog jumps. The experimenter then cuts one of the frog's legs, orders him to jump and the frog jumps. The experimenter proceeds to cut off the rest of the frog's legs one by one, each time ordering the frog to jump and the frog does so. But when the experimenter cut off all the frog's legs, the frog couldn't jump any more when ordered to do so.

The experimenter concluded that a frog without legs is deaf.

This is funny

Actually Infundibulum, I completely understand, the statement above is weak, the study was written about in a German book titled Vernetzte Intelligenzwriters by Fosar & Bludorf.

This web site has some info, not much, nor is it peer reviewed, but you can email him, the link provides his email, not sure if that is for real. http://potentiation.net/...monthly/September05.html

Or just check out this link, http://www.bibliotecaple...a/ciencia_genetica04.htm

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I make my living messing with fish and frog embryos and their DNA, trying to figure out how they self organize into fish or frogs. I'm quite competent at it and I have met some of the worlds top embryologists. This experiment never happened. It is frustrating that people don't seem to be willing or able to grasp at what we are learning about how this genomically encoded self-organization occurs. It is fantastically beautiful and complex. Great stuff to think about when out there but like all good things on Earth it will take discipline and work to get it.

The fact that it is published in an old german book made it easy to distort. It seems like a lot of David Wilcock's info is like this. . . Just like Joeseph Smith and L.Ron Hubbard. Take one part modern interpretation of ancient lore, one part meaninglessly broad explanatory theory and a jigger of greedy hucksterism. This is not the first time memes such of this have become popular and it won't be the last either.

Maybe people feel metaphysically lost in the discord between the science which has built almost every facet of externally experienced life and the ancient religeons that inform the inner life.
Narratives such as those making David Wilcock a living on serve to unite science and the experience of the waking world with internal metaphysical/spiritual/subconscious life.
I think this is a terrific idea. Western society needs new narratives that can combine these vital facets of our experience. I think we should encourage our philosophers to derrive these narratives.

These narratives will fail just like the ancient ones if they are at discord with what we can actually experience with our senses and our instruments. The narrative is free to go beyond but it really shouldn't contradict. The universe is just too dang beautifull for that.

Okay well if you make your living messing with fish and frog embryos, maybe you could try this. It's too bad this experiment isn't published somewhere, if its for real. I'll keep looking for works cited that could verify such claims even though this could be wrong. I'm open to dropping my beliefs for scientific evidence. Here is a link I found link check out Distant interaction between embryos . I'm not sure if this is peer reviewed but its detailed and since you work with this for a living maybe you can confirm its possibleness. or try it yourself.

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Frogs do all the work themselves. Just gotta make 'em comfy.

This is not peer reviewed. It's some guys giant crazy website. I wanna know who is Korax and what's his game?

I'll read the thing though and give it an open appraisal.

Actually I side with you, this info isn't to good, and it isn't peer-reviewed. Damn oh well. Thanks.

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The study of Cymatics provides scientific possibilities to these questions.

Galatic density waves, and a denser Local Interstellar Medium (LISM) are some other ideas that may hold answers for these proposed shifts.