Hi.
SWIM just stumbled over a few 5 liter canisters full of old STB-Sludge he extracted earlier from.. he used either Watcha Tek or Noman…
Now that the point of magnifying yield by adding good amount of Salt, (Cyb Tek), SWIM thought if it may be possible to use those old Sludge, addsome salt-saturated water to it, mix well and just could try pullling again with Naphta?? would that myke any sense?? he noticed in at least 1 of the canisters he already used some Xylene after Naphta pulls ao FASA THE JUNGLE OUT….
so can that old Sludge be "reanimated" somehow???
ny ideas on this if, how to do best``??

That will work...add a load of water to dilute and a handful of salt...mix...NPS...pull.
You never know how much may be left in there.

so , i thought of maybe divide the 5 l kanister into 2 bottles each 3 liters..

maybe even heat up a bit and then mixing the saltwater into…
how much would you think i need for each bottle?? they were all 500 gr extracts..
so would this ca. 400 ml of saturated water be enough, as i need at lleast the las 100 ml to pull…??

i know about the ratio of lye gr = salt gr… but cannot exactly say which kanister was used for which Tek before.. so different amount of probably iin there.. would that matter??

thx for answering, soon.

cheers

I think 400ml would work fine.
For a 3 litre bottle of liquid, I personally would use 150-200g salt.
Hopefully that would dissolve in the 400ml.

how would you go ahead ?? i can use less sludge of course and add more salted water. what about heating the mixture just a little bit in a pan so it may combine better..?
how much salt was needed again to get a supersaturated 100 ml solution??
what about rebasing up again, as by addition of water the pH may change again probably..?

I would put half your sludge in a 3 litre bottle.
40g of salt will dissolve in 100ml of hot water.
Therefore: 150g of salt will dissolve in 400ml hot water.

So add 400ml saline to the bottle...then throw in another 50g of loose salt.
Top up the bottle with warm water to your desired level (leaving space for solvent)

Then heat bath and stir...

You can add some more lye to boost the alkalinity...it is difficult to 'over-base'...so it cant hurt.

Leave in the bath for an hour.

Then proceed to pull with solvent as normal and freeze precip.

Let us know if you grab more goodies.

Project start: now…
will keep you updated...

probably best to go with low solvent amount of 50-75 ml pulls ??

Yes I would suggest 30-40ml pulls as only a small amount of product will come out I imagine.

Remember, when you Re-X normally a gram will sit comfortably in 30ml of solvent.

As far SWIM remembered and those were his first experiments, some didn'really yielded good.. so probably there might be some real goodies within still…? He is ist a little aware of the color of the spice which would outcome as in the 200 gr extract he started and posted pics, the chrystals becane so dann yellow…he has his 1st + 2nd pull now rex-ed twice, froze a good amount of spice again, but still yellow after 2 re-x with bestine??
SWIM thought this might have to be done with less solvent and tto much fats and oils??
here is what SWIM started with Pull 1 + pull2:


and twice rexed..



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SWIM always pulled a little yellow before.. but after 1st old rex:



and after 2nd earlier rex, nice and white:

Now i ran into something tha never had happen before to me..??
As you will see on the photos shortly my 3 liter bottle has no topping for closing anymore… i made the mistake once, that i wrapped some celluphne tightly around this to keep it closed, so shaking would be possible… after a while wen starting Ω i noticed osme celluphane swimming in my solution… OK, clear.. Lye eats celluphane i guess..? i then always used a tight wrap af Alufoil to keep the top close, wrapping tightly, and worked always good…v now that SWIM wanted to take away the foil to put in solvnt for pulling, he noticed that the complete topping of the bottle was kind of "eaten up", probably by the lye again??



here you can even see some foil swimming on top of layer ..


so whole was open, and he could see some of the foil wsimming in the solution… hard to see as very black… Is leye also "eating " Aluminium foil??? if so, what would syou suggest to keep bottle as tight close as possible.. when he looks from the top into the bottle, he can barely see visible thsstz there is some Alufoilie -gunk swimming on it..any idea for future extracts what to use to top the bottle as this has perfect shape and amount for his needs.
other thing is, as the foil is now in the solution it will probably be more and more eaten till totally dissolved into it….:-( will thtat affect any product outcome now) as its beame so thinlyered that you cannot grp it out from there anymore.. it just keeps on dissolving… wasnt oo much foil, sbout ca, 5gr but disoolved into the solution… will Swim run in any Problems when starting to pull now?? bad reiduals, less yield, or anythiing?? it aleays worked fine before, only thid time the foil got destroyed and fell into..( see pics=

any suggestions on thsat iif alufoil will screw the extract up now, and if so,what eldse can i use to cap the bottle??

anyway… will start now with my first 35 ml pull on that solvent.. suggestions on keepig it short or long pulled better?? slightlx warm naphta or cold one?

any advice appreciated.., especialleon material i can cap the bottle in the future with..?

cheers

so, 1st pull is in 35 ml frehsly naphta.. for closing the top now i found a glass, fitting perfectly in the open bottleneck and wrapped tat pretty tight around witn alu and celluphane and a tchick layer of TESA-FILM… should do is job… will let it in low heat bath overnight, agilatibg from time to time.. very curious on endresult each canister will throw out as i just found anoher 25 liter non-salted extraction vessel..
as soon as some results will precipateI#ll post some pics thern..

cheer

so… finally after SWIM tried it with different amounts of water and Salt,,, on different containers….

He always ended up with the same endresult, which was a "kind of swimming globby" stuff in the naphta after freezing… not a single chrystals-like seeing…??
he will now try to totally evap the naphtha to check the globby substance in detail… but doesnt look very promisizing….

i hope he will be able to provide some photos of it soon.