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Nathanial.Dread
#41 Posted : 7/1/2013 4:58:32 PM

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Here is the website for UATests, which makes MOST of the drug tests you'll ever come across. If you look at their widest ranging test (it tests for 12 substances), you'll notice that no psychedelic is on there at all.

http://www.uatests.com/t...ts/dip-tests.php#12panel

One things that concerns me hugely is that benzodiazapines and methadone are both on their, which stacks the desk against against people using prescriptions or trying to get themselves off opiate addiction.
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#42 Posted : 7/1/2013 9:01:00 PM

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Nathanial.Dread wrote:


One things that concerns me hugely is that benzodiazapines and methadone are both on their, which stacks the desk against against people using prescriptions or trying to get themselves off opiate addiction.


It's a different story for probation, but in cases of pre-employment drug testing, being on benzos or methadone by prescription will not keep you from getting a job. My husband had experience with this with methadone a few years back, and as long as you can provide a verifiable script to the testing facility, they will report a passed test to your prospective employer.
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#43 Posted : 7/2/2013 5:37:03 AM

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^^ This.

Also, i believe it illegal discrimination, to not hire someone merely on the grounds they have a script for what the test positive for, that's a controlled substance. ADA legislation prohibits that so long as you disclose it beforehand, the drug is legal, you have a prescription, and the usage doesn't affect the performance of your job.

Which is really the only test an employee should be held to, if the are a crappy employee because they are abusing drugs, and won't stop, fire them because they are a crappy employee. This a very big issue associated with prohibition of drugs imho.

If i was an employer, i really wouldn't care what you did in your private life and your own body, so long as you do your job well, and it doesn't affect your performance at work. If you are on a medication/or medical cannabis, if it doesn't affect the performance of your job, it should not be an issue, and the only person who has a problem with that is the feds.

The gestalt of that is a quote i remember from somewhere, "judge a man by the quality of his work, not the contents of his piss".

In certain industries though, i can see where testing is necessary for high risk jobs, but only if there an accident where there's reasonable suspicion to believe they were intoxicated with X illegal/legal drugs when an accident occurred that caused considerable damage, death, injury, or considerable monetary loss on the behalf of the employer.

That would be hard though, as you would have to get a test quickly and then determine the level of intoxication the employee was at when the accident happened, to know if it was because they were abusing legal drugs they have a script for, illegal drugs (imho there should only be one category, drugs, but that's another topic) or if they were taking the medication as prescribed.

IE quantitative concentrations of the drug, that show the concentrations of the drug used prescribed was much lower than what they were at at the time of the incident. But that opens a whole nother can of worms regarding diverse biochemistry in the metabolism of drugs across the population.

Though a good employer should be able to weed out individuals that abuse drugs, and won't stop doing so, or there was a serious incident while they were intoxicated. Simply because they did not do what was required to hold that job, and would have been fired even if drugs weren't involved.

Then, if you are still qualified for your job, and can perform your abilities to the extent required beforehand, it should not be legal to discharge someone for that. You had a medical problem, and you medically got treatment.

But like i said, technically they would be discriminating against your for medical reasons to deny employment only on the grounds of you taking legally prescribed drugs, as instructed by a MD.

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ADA act legislation text
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#44 Posted : 7/17/2013 12:05:17 AM
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So I found out that these are the tests I am going to be taking.
http://www.1stepdtx.com/prodDetails.cfm?p=9

As far as I can tell, there is no testing for any tryptamines/ergoline compounds. So this should mean that it SHOULD be safe to consume mushrooms/DMT and or LSA?

Could someone correct me if I am wrong here?
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#45 Posted : 7/17/2013 4:48:19 AM

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Geeze, I don't even recognize a lot of those.

What is PPP? Does anyone take that?
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#46 Posted : 7/17/2013 10:38:49 PM
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I think PPP is the only one that I have not heard of, along with TCA which is a tricyclic antidepressant. But other then those two everything else seems like pills, coke, methodone, any type of Amps, THC of course, and thats about it...No tryptamines.

So mushrooms and DMT, possibly LSA, should be safe, yes?
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#48 Posted : 7/18/2013 1:56:42 AM
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Awesome, that is great news. I shall play it safe and see if they switch up the tests at any point, but I doubt they would. After the next few I think I should be safe to know.
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#49 Posted : 7/18/2013 4:53:23 AM

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I've tested positive for amphetamines after taking pharmahuasca, which made for an interesting conversation later to say the least.
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#50 Posted : 7/18/2013 2:23:17 PM

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Good luck with it, Gone and Back. Sorry you have to go through this crap. Sad
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#51 Posted : 7/18/2013 2:53:31 PM

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Ez wrote:
I've tested positive for amphetamines after taking pharmahuasca, which made for an interesting conversation later to say the least.


Care to expand on this a bit?

So you're saying that pharma can result in a false positive for amphetamines?

What kind of test was it?
 
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#52 Posted : 7/18/2013 11:57:50 PM
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Ez wrote:
I've tested positive for amphetamines after taking pharmahuasca, which made for an interesting conversation later to say the least.


This should not happen? You shouldnt be taking any amphetamines for pharma
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#53 Posted : 7/21/2013 5:33:05 AM

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I don't know what the deal was. I don't take any amps. I had taken an eye balled dose of pharmahuasca consisting of extracted harmalas and dmt. I misjudged and ended up in the hospital. I didn't /couldn't tell them what I was on so they ran a blood test. Later the nurse says, "now what really worries me is this blood test coming up positive for amphetamines."
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#54 Posted : 7/21/2013 5:47:37 AM
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Did you make the pharma capsules yourself? Sounds to me like those capsules may have had some type of amphetamines in them...there really is no other way for that to cause a positive for amphetamines.

This could explain why you ended up in the hospital as well, harmalas and any type of amphetamines should not be combined, but if you did not know that they were in those capsules then that would cause for a lot of problems.
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I made them myself. The only thing I can come up with is that the tests don't look for drugs they look for metabolites from the drug that has been broken down. Also, if it was oral and on my system a tryptamine and an amphetamine may look very similar? Believe me, I am still baffled.
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#56 Posted : 7/21/2013 5:43:46 PM

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Did they (paramedics or in hospital) administer you something before the test? If yes, they might have induced their own false positive?
 
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#57 Posted : 7/21/2013 6:29:16 PM
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If you made them yourself, and you know for sure there was nothing but MAOI and tryptamine content in them, then there should be no reason for a false positive. Tryptamines do not metabolize into the same things as amphetamines do.

Like Jees said, they probably gave you something that caused the false positive and just did not connect the two.
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