While I can understand why you feel that way about burning salvia, I can also tell you that this is totally not true in my experience. In my experience she invites my swim to burn her 20x incarnation, and to savor the wonderful fragrant aroma of the incense, and she treats my swim VERY, VERY well. So I think this varies considerably from person to person.
From all info I have collected she is very harsh to many who smoke large amounts on the first visits. For many of those who take the time to become aquainted with smoking her slowly with small amounts to begin with, she gives great rewards.

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The exercising is going well, every day, no mercy....lol...

And the payoff has been great. My swim can visit his newfound ally dimitri and be comfortable with full acceptance of any body load.

As for this forum...
There have been some evenings while after work I sit at my puter and spend alot of time just reading posts here, and I get so much depth out of what people here have to say about life, experiences, and sharing of information of these molecules that it is really like a second home and I hope to get to know many here better in time. Very cool peeps here indeed!

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Those look great Antrocles!

I had some salvia plants that grew like crazy weeds in the summer, but in New Englands cold dry indoor winter weather they died a slow painful death. They almost made it through to the spring but then died. In my experience its really hard to grow salvia indoors in cold climates. Now for those who live in Southen Cali, you will have no problem and you will have more plant leaves in a few months than you know what to do with!

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oh SWIM can think of a few things to do with 'em!

....glad to hear all is going well with you my friend. keep up the good work!

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!

yes..the northeast in the winter is fery hadr to keep alive

I have three words for those who want to grow Salvia: Compact Fluorescent Bulb. Perfect. Anything brighter will scorch them.

Here's one of my babies at six months of age.

oooooooch....pic didn't come through Trips!! resend!! i'm DYING to see!!!!

salvia was awesome, except for the after feeling; akin to being cracked out from being awake for a few days. plain dried leaf. Possibly attributed to the setting, the others were smoking to get high. Have not touched it since, but have been learning with the alvarius and have a deep respect for salvia and know it has great potential. 20x awaiting further experimentation and has good feeling results will be more prerfferable in a more respectable and prepared manner. Consuming the traditional way does sound like a better more responsible way to get to know salvia though.

From SWIM....

Saliva was my first psychedlic experience. Since then i've done it about 20 times. I've only tried smoking it with a water bong and always have unique experiences. This stuff, I believe, is connected to you short term memory. Last time, I smoked a little bit and said "this is a bad idea". After saying that, I entered Salvia World with a voice saying "what idea would you like?". There was a row (almost like a row of books but in Salvia style) of ideas and I was able to choose one. This scared the hell out of me and I replied "i'll just stick with my idea". Ofcourse, I could not remember what my idea was. (this relating to the idea of smoking salvia was a bad idea). Then I woke back up. Kinda crazy lol.
On two occasions, i've been connected to a school bus and sewn into a dress... being told both times this is my new location/life/existance. During these 2 trips, I wrapped myself into my comforter which is a yellow and red block pattern... very much like a school bus (yellow) or dress (how it was wrapped completely around me)
Everytime after a salvia trip I wake up sweating profusely, extremely depressed and wanting to go to bed. I've had a few experiences that could be related to a inner ego/personal struggle i've been going through. I really don't like how short saliva is also. You can feel yourself exiting Salvia fairly quickly.

DMT has been the most amazing experiences of my life. 100 times better than saliva. I'm still a n00b to DMT after doing it over 30-40 times but it is changing my life for the better. There is something so special about the spice. An energy is released that connects you to the rest of the world. It's so spiritual and brings you closer to something beyond ourselves. I've also abused the spice and learned my lesson quickly.

I would def. try both if your interested. Everyone is different. But man... the spice is sooo much better in my opinion.

SWIM has only taken DMT twice and only experienced the full effects one time, but it took him to the 100% exact same place as Saliva 17x extract. He said things seemed to move faster on DMT, but the same dimension was reached.

that is very very very odd - there is no way swim would even dream of comparing the 2 - swim thinks the only thing that they have in common is the small doses required and the duration.

I must agree. As one who has used salvia A LOT but is fairly new to spice, salvia takes swim to the depths of relaxation, as if swim could be experiencing the ultimate release from life state of being, then allows swim to reassemble in a few minutes with a great afterglow.

DMT, literally rockets swim to an extreme height of exciting light and magic.

I think dmt is swims new media and that he will now use salvia less often, although he does still enjoy salvia quite a bit.

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