So SWIM has made some DMT Fumarate and has tested it by insuflation. It's alive!

Now SWIM wants to use this versatile substance in his first attempt at pharma. He discovered that 50mg of fumarate is just too little to have clear visuals via insufflation and is going to have 100mg of fumarate (roughly 75mg of freebase in there) about 30 minutes after making syrian rue tea using 3g of rue seeds and lemon juice.

Has anyone else used this combo? Anyone got pointers and advice? SWIM weighs 86kg and is wondering if 100mg will be enough. SWIM have always been happy taking huge amounts of any other psychedelic, but for some reason is nervous of aya and pharma, so tends to under-dose. It is frustrating. 50g Caapi and 15g of chaliponga was only enough for a slight buzz and nothing else.

SWIM doesn't know WHY he is so nervous. Thinks he must get over it by jumping in the deep end, so to speak...

Okeydokey. So 3g of Rue and 127mg of fumarate was a very light experience. SWIM is going to up dosage to 4g Rue and 250mg of fumarate. SWIM is tired of messing about. For some reason those doses work wonders with others, but SWIM has found he needs to double or, in some cases, tripple the dose that other people take of other substances. Guess that spice is the same story.

:-)

Seriously, Do NOT do that!
Messing around is far better than the hellish experience I once had on 3.5g of Rue and 200mg of DMT freebase this one time.
I felt more physically poisoned than I had in my life.
Diarrhea, violent vomiting, uncontrollable thurst as if I was dying.
Must have vomited and dry reached at least 100 times in the space of 2 hours.

For reference, I have tripped probably 30 times on 2C's, 30 on LSD, 60+ DMT, 100+ Ketamine, 10 on Mushrooms etc, etc...so my warning of this being the most physically worrying experience of my life, should not come lightly!

How are you taking the rue?
I`d suggest trying 4g of Rue and 145mg of fumarate.
The Rue is almost always the deciding factor, imo.

Thanks for the advice Shanedudddy2.

SWIM might not take 250mg, but will definitely be taking 200 at least. He has been messing around with DMT for about two years and has been an avid explorer for almost 20 years with other stuff. Although I don't think anything comes close to how far DMT takes you, I think he is just tired of wasting small quantities on half-baked experiences and he does not particularly like smoking the stuff either in freebase or changa. He has experienced Pharma before and yes, it made him puke as well, but it was not his own medicine. It was made by a friend. It was an interesting experience despite that.

I will definitely be updating this thread on the weekend coming after he has done this.

:-)

There's no need to use SWIM here, this was even stopped on drug-forum awhile back as well... when it became blatantly obvious to prove that using SWIM = me, SWIY = you hehe
Your call
Puking a bit, and puking 100+ times and feeling as though you could possibly die are two completely different experiences.
Best of luck, report back, curious on the results.

Awesome! SWIM could be mistaken for Someone Who Is Me anyway! Hahaha!

I've had an extreme experience on San Pedro before. I had made arrangements for a friend to come over and try it too, but had let him down the week before. The next Saturday I woke up and was so damn ill, but never even thought of cancelling as I didn't want to let him down again. We consumed 450ml of cactus brew each that knocked our socks off. I puked and puked 45 minutes after drinking the stuff. First the juice came out. Then the pain klillers I'd taken 15 minutes before. Then, every time I had a sip of beer I puked some more. The SP was telling me to stop putting other shit in my body with it. Tripped for more than 24 hours. No sleep. Learned major life lessons and insights. Cured me of cocaine addiction. After having some sleep, I was even cured of whatever flu or sickness I had when I consumed it.

Wonderful stuff! Rated as the most profound experience of my life. An I had the same issues with San Pedro. Until I made it myself and consumed a highly concentrated dose, it never worked for me at all. I even started wondering if the cactus was a load of hippy nonsense. I don't believe in having to listen for an excperience on the wind or meditating on a light dose that barely works. Sure that has a time and a place, but for a deep profound and even occasionally scary experience (all learning experiences), I hahve to go Terrence McKenna's advice: "When in doubt, double the dose". And have to add to that: Hold on to your seat!

:-)

yeah, you don't need to rush to increase your DMT so incrementally!

Raising the rue to 4g and going to 150mg is good advice.



Yep, that can some people's first time. These materials bring up lots of toxins for people. DMT and the harmalas are relatively benign in an of themselves on a physical level.

A lot of people are really very toxic. If you regularly eat fast food, eat processed food a lot - that sort of thing, you can expect to get really sick because it all comes to the surface. I've seen it too many times. The good news is you should feel a lot clearer after such an experience.