I can honestly say that I enjoy smoking DMT. I use to be completely frightened of the substance, especially since my first ever trip was a MAJORLY large dose for me. We eyeballed it, and smoked what I can now gauge as about 60mg. This was a completely mind and ego shattering experience that melted my reality away from me, especially since it was all taken in one bit hit from a bong and held in for as long as possible, say 20 seconds.

After that first experience, I was very hesitant to break through again. Especially since I could remember every detail of that experience clearly. It was very hard to over come. I believe I wrote a report of it here on the Nexus somewhere for anyone that is interested, it should be in the welcome discussion section.

Since then I had to slowly integrate my way into the experience, starting with about 20mg in a bong, taking it in three to four small hits over the course of about ten minutes. That way I got myself use to the body feeling. Then I went to about 20-30mg smoked more quickly, and got myself back into a somewhat higher dose experience. I still have only smoked more then 30mg to breakthrough maybe once or twice since that first experience, and that was a while ago. Maybe a few years.

So it takes time to 'enjoy' the experience of smoking. Especially when coming from my first experience. I have yet to try oral DMT though or smoking some harmalas first.

I will be short, lucky you...lol..., but something caught my attention:

fry:



Being bored is a sign you are stepping onto something very important. Boredom is hidden anger. I hope you investigate this state of mind.

Jox

the taste isn't too big an issue but the smell is awful and I associate the two.

I read all these amazing trip reports, good or bad most sound incredible.

when the room is pulsating and going crazy I close my eyes and either see darkness or I black out.
never anything to integrate and nothing life changing or inspiring or anything, just a smelly living room and I need to clean my bong because it smells like mothballs.

Thoroughly!!! Especially since using Blue Lotus. The initial transition is smoother for me and thus no anxiety, although after my 5th time or so, I didn't have much anxiety. A subtle smile always comes over my face as i enter, sometimes, I even let out a little.. "YES!! there you are!" when the mosaics and fractals begin to show themselves.
I've come across some negative entities, but have had success in both learning from them and defending myself from them. They in no way have deterred me.
I've experienced some serious self- deconstruction ... to the joy of my soul.
Only my ego doesn't like DMT... haha.. It's like a party it's not invited to! - Ego's don't like to be left out.. lol
But the "I" that is not my ego thoroughly enjoys it!

That all depends on the dose. If we are talking 30mg-50mg smoked as deeply
and quickly as possible then... my answer is "I" don't know if I like it or
not. It is certainly SOMETHING else!

If we are talking 10-25mg smoke deeply and quickly, then hell yeah I LOVE it! It scares me everytime and then
it shows me not to be afraid and I remember - Oh yeah! I know this, I LOVE THIS! Show me! It is simply
unfathomably awesome.

I personally love the taste and the smell. I love just looking at the spice!

If different delivery methods don't do it for you, and a change of setting doesn't bring some new things to light... Then it might be time to consider taking a look at the elephant in the room: Try actually being sincere and taking an honest look at yourself and your situation before toking. Why are you doing it? Is there even a reason? Are you getting what you want? Do you have the faintest clue what you want at all? Are you prepared for the position you will find yourself in if you proceed further?

Are you acting responsibly in regard to your state of being and walk of life, your reason for obtaining and using the substance, and the power and potential of the drug that you are using?
If it's a resounding yes, then this obviously isn't your way into the mystery and there are other places for you to explore. If you're honest enough to admit that any of those answers is a No, then you are by definition abusing the drug and you have the most to gain by putting it away until a later time in your life when you can benefit from its potential.

...If it's somewhere in the middle, it seems you've got some work to do.

What your describing is the early initial stage of the experience. The 'room pulsating' is a very early effect, but by no means the end of the road.....hehe....not even remotely close.

Depending on how much DMT you have left, look into making a 1:1 changa blend with the addition of harmalas. You'll be able to take in more hits and go very deep. Like steeping into a pool, walking from the shallow end to the deep end...it's kind'of like that.

Go to the dmt nexus wiki, go to conversion teks, dmt handbook, then read the section about changa. Changa is a full proof method imo and can take you deep EASILY. You just light it, 2-3 tokes, and bye-bye.

much love,
tat

as far as the reason im taking it, basically I want to see pretty lights and meet some entities or something, Im purely in it for the experience.

I'm not a fan of changa or E.L., regardless of what herb I use it gives me a pins and needles feeling thats unpleasant.

when the room starts pulsating and such, when I close my eyes theres either blackness or I blackout and wake up 5-10 minutes later.

I would say if all you want to do is see pretty lights then stop smoking dmt, it may be a blessing you haven't broken through. Because although the experience is beautiful it can be paradigm shattering and difficult to integrate if your intentions aren't right. I would say seeing pretty lights is more in the realm of lsd and mescaline then dmt. Of course the dmt realm is beautiful but its also very heavy. The things that happen on dmt are not for the uncommitted psychonaut.

To me dmt is not a recreational drug its something sacred, its medicine for the soul. That being said if your looking for recreation stay away from dmt. I have known people... kids at the university who used dmt looking for pretty lights, and the experience was harmful to them, they had to drop out and move back home to try to recover from the trauma of being unprepared.

I use dmt with reluctance, although I often enjoy the experience it is like bungee jumping, there is risk and it is intense, so if your not seeking this particular thrill it will not be enjoyable.

my advice for you is stick with lsd and mescaline they are profound and aesthetically pleasing, without some of the things that make dmt frightening.

pulsating room would be indicative of a low dose (have you had any stronger OEV?).
blacking out is indicative of overdose.
seems the sweet spot eludes you.

it could be that you need to improve the efficacy of your dosing method, but i feel it more likely that this molecule just isn't for you.

usually when the room starts pulsating and my ears sound like there's motors reving up Ill close my eyes or take another toke.

the most intense OEV I have experienced was the first time.
I took 3 deep rips for a 3 count with no pause between hits.
upon taking my 3rd toke the room kaleidoscoped clockwise and turned in to a large perfect red cog that encompassed my entire vision and in the brilliant red light it emitted was the torso of a shadow figure looking at me.
then I woke up with vomit on myself extremely confused, it literally took hours until I remembered anything after the first toke.

" but i feel it more
likely that this molecule just isn't
for you."

this statement makes me sad..
basically what I keep thinking but I have wanted to have a proper experience for years.

I hope its just newb error, which is possible because I never took the time to perfect any method, just tried them all and made a subjective decision on my favorite.

going to carefully weigh out doses and see if I can find a sweet spot tonight.

when you go for a breakthrough, do you charge for the goal with big hits or work your way there toke by toke?
I usually charge the goal, maybe I'm administering too fast?

When was it ever about enjoyment? Sure you can experience euphoria, but it is all profound. Doing DMT for pure enjoyment is impossible for me.

While I agree that a purely aesthetic enjoyment approach will lead one quickly astray with dmt, I personally do not differentiate the sacred from the 'enjoyable' or recreational. Approaching the sacred with levity is one of the gifts that psychedelics have given me. I think that (not speaking for Walter Roy) western cultural hangups influenced by abrahamic religions which regard the divine as a laborious and stoic persuit have never jived with me.

In other words, to me te sacred is found through recreation.

We could learn a lot from watching children at play. It's something the rigors of adult life have often robbed us of.

And you never noticed how potentially stupid that is? Wow. If you want to see pretty lights, watch the television. If you want to meet entities "or something", go to a bar. (Hell, if you're even old enough. I have no reason to imagine that to be the case given what I've read.) Apparently you have no idea what you're dealing with, and you should count your blessings that you haven't been let in.

You are dealing with a drug that can shatter your mind and the way you interpret the world around you. The entities (or "somethings" ) you can meet are capable of dressing you down the level of a terrified toddler and giving you an asswhooping you could never imagine, and never recover from. Better yet, the information that it is possible to receive, even if you prove yourself worthy of receiving it, can inspire you to walk down a path that you, frankly, do not have the skill or attitude to comprehend, much less navigate without ending up dead, insane, or a raving messianic disgrace to everyone who actually uses psychedelics responsibly.

Put it down and leave it alone, or man the f*** up and be responsible with your use of the most powerful mind-altering substance known to mankind.


{facepalm}
Some peoples' kids...

Hiyo
Please RE-READ the Attitude section.



It's one thing to warn people of the potential intensity of the substance...
It's another to tell people to 'man the f*** up and be responsible'

If something gets your goat and riles you up...take a step back and calm yourself before posting inflammatory remarks.

People can dose low and have an OK time...that is their prerogative.

Reign it in

Fry should try.....

Pharmahuasca: 3gr. Syrian rue, 100mg fb.dmt.

Enjoy!


disclaimer:
Don't do this until you've researched carefully what you are getting into.

For Swim it's no enjoy, but hard work with "the tool", so far. But done with love, respect and gratitude, it transforms older pain bodies, a noble work very much worth being torn to shreds. The real enjoyment comes from being transformed, ymmv (being the visual hardhead, still).

Dont get me wrong, I have the upmost respect for psyces and the hell they can bring if used irresponsibly or foolishly, I am also quite aware of the power of DMT (maybe not to its fullest extent)

When I was typing the part about seeing pretty lights and going purely for the experience I thought it might be taken harshly by some but still its legitimately my angle, but I have much experience with mushrooms and if someone said they trip purely for the pretty lights I would probably have some advice or something to say as well.

I notice a lot of people saying to "state your intentions" or something similar, I assume this is iterating to spend time on your set ?

In most respects, I agree with everything you said, and I feel, very similarly.

You seem to misinterpret my my point... when I say "man up and be responsible", I don't mean "up the dosage" Why would I suggest this guy waste more DMT?

What I mean is "Don't go wandering around the internet looking for somebody to feed your rational mind what it needs to feel satisfied in its decisions, when you should know damn well what you're doing already. Pay attention to what you're doing and act accordingly."

But I see your point. If only for you Cyb, I'll be a little nicer.