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elchino
#1 Posted : 7/5/2013 8:33:06 PM
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Hi, I have benefited from this site for a while and finally decided to join in order to contribute as well as ask the question below. Since I just registered, I am unable to post in the Health section so I apologize if this is not the appropriate place to ask. Also, it is long.

I will give a little background. My first exposure to DMT and ayahusaca was when I went to the Amazon and drank ayahuasca under fairly traditional circumstances. My experiences were beyond description and although it was severe and in some ways traumatizing, the net result was that it was one of the most positive and important experiences of my life. That was in January 2012. In January 2013, I returned to the amazon again and had a similar experience. In between I used no other "drugs", entheogens, etc.

My interest in smoking DMT increased after returning from my second trip. I was able to locate some premade DMT through a friend which I refined using heptane to produce very white fluffy crystals. At this point (March 2013) I began smoking it approximately once a week, sometimes more sometimes less, generally around 40mg. I had nothing but positive (although sometimes scary) results, I was able to "revisit" the ayahuasca experience in a shorter controlled way and it allowed me to look at things differently without committing to ayahuasca. I found that it supplemented and reinforced my experiences in the amazon.

Everything was great until about a month and a half ago. I smoked a decent amount (for me) over about an hour period, perhaps 100mg. The experience was incredible, I was shown how death works, for lack of a better description. At a certain point, I felt that the experience was enough and I put the pipe away. I felt fairly tired and while still a little out of it, I decided to eat this granola mix that I had. In the same cabinet, I had a package of maca root powder that I brought back from south america. For those who don't know, it is a nutritional supplement that you can read about on the internet, most people consider it to be fairly innocuous but some have had negative reactions to it. I basically never use it but without thinking, I dumped a pile of it onto this granola and ate it. All of a sudden, my heart began pounding, i began sweating, felt nauseous and a number of other bad things. I layed down and tried to sleep it off. To make a long story slightly shorter, I woke up the next day with a low grade migraine, shortness of breath, anxiety, cold sweats/chills etc. Those symptoms did not go away for over a month.

So here I am, nearly two months later and I feel good again. I had thought that I had done some type of permanent damage. My symptoms seemed consistent with serotonin syndrome especially since maca increases serotonin levels and also has various other neurological effects. The odd thing is how long it lasted. Obviously during that time, I did not smoke dmt. I also don't drink alcohol, smoke anything else, take medication, etc. So two days ago, since I was feeling normal again, I decided to smoke 35mg (sitting on peppermit leaves in a glass pipe). I found that it was like my body rejected it, i found it physically difficult to inhale, there was this heavy feeling in my chest. I could not get anywhere near breaking through and although it was not terrible, it was not the experience that I was used to. Now all of these things could have been triggered by my apprehension except that soon after I started to get the same physical symptoms that I had two months ago. I felt pressure in the sinuses, shortness of breath, weird chills/sweating.

So, two days later, these effects are dissipating but my question is, will I ever be able to use dmt again in the way that I had? Did I overdo it? At this point, I am going to take a 6+ month break since I see no other option. Has anyone had an experience like this?
Thanks for reading this long post and thanks for any insight.
 

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#2 Posted : 7/5/2013 8:53:37 PM

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I've had learned reaction with other drugs/combinations in the past. Some resolve themselves, some don't.

I think the only advice is to take along break, as you yourself concluded. I'm sure after long enough away from it there won't be such an intensely negative reaction.
 
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#3 Posted : 7/5/2013 9:20:14 PM

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elchino wrote:
So two days ago, since I was feeling normal again, I decided to smoke 35mg (sitting on peppermit leaves in a glass pipe). I found that it was like my body rejected it, i found it physically difficult to inhale, there was this heavy feeling in my chest. I could not get anywhere near breaking through and although it was not terrible, it was not the experience that I was used to. Now all of these things could have been triggered by my apprehension except that soon after I started to get the same physical symptoms that I had two months ago. I felt pressure in the sinuses, shortness of breath, weird chills/sweating.

So, two days later, these effects are dissipating but my question is, will I ever be able to use dmt again in the way that I had? Did I overdo it? At this point, I am going to take a 6+ month break since I see no other option. Has anyone had an experience like this?
Thanks for reading this long post and thanks for any insight.


Peppermint is a vasodilator, it's medicine in its own right. So you were vaping peppermint and 35mg of DMT together. The bed of peppermint leaves is definitely not inert, and it affects the experience. I would try to vape maybe 15mg or 20mg of DMT by itself before making a decision about the effects you felt.

Also, I get the feeling from your description that you were truly smoking and not vaporizing. If I am correct, you were combusting the plant matter, which would add even more compounds into the mix that you inhaled.
 
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#4 Posted : 7/6/2013 1:38:57 AM

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I'd have to research maca because I don't know much about it but I doubt you'd be having some long lasting dangerous physical issue there. I think it seems much more likely an issue with actually smoking DMT, and you're right in having this because smoking DMT isn't healthy I think.

combustion of DMT can potentially lead to several toxic byproducts. DMT has a benzene ring inside it's structure, and when it breaks down, benzene could be released as a breakdown products, and benzene is carcinogenic. Other toxic nitrogen-containing compounds could be there too. Not saying smoking DMT is carcinogenic, also because nobody is smoking it all day every day like cigarretes, but I can imagine it makes sense the body rejects it. Vaporizing is the way to go, since one avoids all these potentially toxic byproducts

I had been for a really long time not smoking DMT at all, just vaporizing it . Then recently I did not have my vaporizing pipe with me and a friend rolled a joint with some DMT, and I took some hits, and boy was that a wrong decision for me.. I started coughing a lot, the whole night, barely could sleep. I think I might have had a cold coming but it certainly precipitated and worsened the whole thing, I spent a few days with bad cough. It just reinforced my view, smoking DMT is a no-no. Either vaporize it, or consume orally.

So yeah, get a GVG or build yourself an inspirator MKII or something similar, and try again. If not, well, then go back to ayahuasca, it's not like it's a bad thing anyways Very happy

Oh and, yeah... 'If symptoms persist, contact your doctor' Big grin
 
 
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