I notices this recently with smoked DMT, . Shortly after smoking DMT laced cappi leaf I feel like I had a mega-dose of melatonin and a floating feeling.??
Lasted about 10 or 15 minutes almost put me to sleep..[maybe it did?]
My body felt like it was melting into the couch and im soo relaxed..no visuals worth talking about yet..
This was from fairly weak changa..
This is far as i have gone with DMT..do i just need a stronger dose to get the visionary state?

I have most certainly felt sleepy with DMT also. Lovely if you ask me.

About the visions. Sometimes they are not meant to come. Another, more scientific approach could be that you are not smoking enough or that you are not making the best out of the material you are smoking.

I usually feel very alert and tuned in after I smoke spice, though on occasion it does make me very sleepy/dreamy. It can be great right before bed, especially when followed up with meditation.

I'm wondering if the caapi has anything to do with it making you sleepy. Because for me, spice on it's own usually doesn't sedate me. My changa blend, on the other hand, will often make me very sleepy. I've always attributed it to the caapi in the mix; and I know that when I smoke the plain leaf on it's own or brew a tea with it, it always puts me in a dreamy/sleepy state. It can be tricky if you're into daily harmalas, as I usually like to brew a caapi tea in the mornings--acts kind of like the opposite of coffee for me, haha.

I have had that often too when smoalking DMT joints.
I only once smoalked decent Changa and I didn't get this effect,
but I've become drowsy & sleepy from smoalking just DMT quite often.

After a proper smoalking session I've often felt really sleepy.
Not allways though. Other times I would come out of a spice journey
energetic or neutral.

I'm not sure why DMT can sometimes make people so sleeepy. The friends with whom
I've smoalked DMT explained they experienced the same thing.


Could this sleepy effect be attributable to other MHRB alkaloids that ended up in
the DMT extract as impurities?

Could it be that DMT is interacting with certain brainchemistry could cause sleepyness?
Doesn't Melatonin get absorbed into the same receptors as DMT is in the brian?

Perhaps something like this is going on:
You ingest DMT after sundown, when your brain is producing Melatonin,
DMT amasses at the appropriate receptor and start entering into it.
Because significant amounts of DMT are passing into this particulair receptor,
perhaps Melatonin is unable to get to that receptor as all the DMT is in the way.

Then, when the DMT is metabolised and out of your system, suddenly the entrance to
the receptor becomes free again and all the amassed Melatonin, that couldn't reach
that receptor before suddenly floods into it causing this mayor sleepyness.

Because it indeed DOES feel like a powerfull, naturall sleepyness. Like Melatonin.
Just a thought though. Trying to explain why sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't,
I remember this sleepyness has never occured when smoalking in daylight.

I sometimes get sleepy as well, this is normal at least for me, and most of my friends who have tried it. Usually at the tail end of the trip I'll start yawning A LOT!

Although smoking low doses 5-10 MG at a time multiple times in an hour never exceeding 60-80 MG in that hour I get energized sometimes as well.

My theory based on my own experience is that
Dmt can have complex interactions with our own
Given body chemistry in the moment . All kinds of
Factors can contribute including the foods we've been eating
Etc . It's hard to explain the wide range of physical
Effects sometimes . I've had the sweats and gotten very
Overheated , cold as well , super sleepy , super awake ,
Nervous anxious , mellow relaxed , it's all over the map.
Many times these varied results can be from the same
Batch of spice . The weirdest one of all is still
The absolutely no effect effect .

Thanks for all your replys!
I think i just need a higher dose of acacia confusa dmt in changa mix...

Updating my homemade ACACIA CONFUSA JUNGLE CHANGA MIX...
No de fatting..no crystalization...just the full spectrum acacia goo.
Ok i finally extracted all i could from about 350 grams of acacia bark...
Im guessing i may have had 2 bor 3 grams worth of DMT [oil or goo] that i mixed with a gram and a half of cappie leaf...
after a couple pulls..As before i again felt totally diferent as my whole body felt weightless like a dry leafe falling from a tree with a gentle breeze taking me away...
This time the dose was a little larger ..and it lasted much longer!
I think this may be only ..[an early low dose effect].. of a DMT trip.. as the dose although larger than first try ..it was still fairly small..
This wonderfull full body relaxation took me over from head to toe ..
I believe i started to hear the carrier wave noise to a small degree ...but i normally have tinitus in my normal hearing anyway..
This experiance started with a strong body feeling of weightlessness and i also felt as if my pleasure centers were turned on full blast!..
I then thought.. DMt isnt an adictive drug.. why do i feel so great? from head to toe?
I could also tell i was entering a trip only my dose was still a little small but i caught a glimps of this [candy cane.. red and white ..snake thing] whirling in my closed eye perception...
I felt no discomfort at all .. no fast heart rate...no weight on chest feeling..some report with mimosa extracted DMT...
Infact the come up was gentle ..but strong!
Has anyone else felt this from acacia confusa extracted DMT jungle changa?

No experience with acacia yet. What device are you using to smoke the changa?

Sounds like your being apprehensive to take a decent sized dose. Or just not putting enough in for some reason?

I know after smoking my changa, for about 15-30 minutes after the experience, I feel extremely relaxed and sleepy. I would definitely attribute it to the harmalas.

If your looking to go further, pack a huge bowl. Take 2-3 giant tokes, holding each for 10+ seconds. (long deep hits). Best of travels to ya

much love,
tat

Sometimes it depends on "how you land". It would be like the difference between a sky diver smoothly landing on his feet versus having his left foot positioned funny causing him to sprain his left ankle on the way in. One hypothetical skydiver is walking away elated, and the other one is in a bit of a different condition. The same thing happens with DMT - you gotta nail the landing!

To be more direct, yes I do get sleepy a bunch after DMT, even sometimes when everything has gone as well as it can. I accept this as a potential consequence, but usually try to hold off from actually going to sleep.

This is pretty common of both low doses and the comedown of bigger doses, especially if changa/harmalas are involved, and especially if you're dosing at night time and in the darkness (darkness increases pinoline/melatonin production). That said, obviously its not guaranteed, and sometimes you can be as giddy as a clown on speed afterwords

Anyways, after working with high doses of melatonin and harmalas a lot i'm fairly convinced that psychedelics like dmt can increase our endogenous melatonin and pinoline activity, which is why in the darkness after vaping even straight freebase dmt this harmala/melatonin like effect can be so pronounced during the comedown- even to the point of greatly extending the affects. This was happening in the beginning for me but it seems that years of melatonin/harmala/psychedelic usage has made me more susceptible to it

Another factor is that after an intense and deep experience, your rational left brain has just decided that its had enough of being overloaded and starts to get sleepy. A lot of my more interesting experiences have resulted from pushing through this sleepiness and taking another dose. Your really not as sleepy as it seems, its just your rational/conceptual monkey brain that is trying to pull the plug




Yes. That sounds exactly like a lower-end dose to me.

but a side note: as others said, affects can very greatly even at the same dosage

I used a water bong and the acacia jungle spice hit me fast but come up was much fairly fast but not as brutaly fast as ive heard in some straight DMT reports...
The first thing i noticed was how fast but gentle it changed the perception of my body as i felt weightless and carefree and good at that stage of the experiance!
It was all acacia jungle goo spice that i put through a sodium carbonate wash first...
Im wondering what this stuff would be like with a little 7x salvia mixed in it?