well, just an update to

My second dance - https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=45418
My first dance - https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=45228

So, prepared everything as detailed in my previous posts, 12 hours of love and attention, 3 rinses with apple cider. Fasted for the day and controlled my MAOI intake for the last couple of days and no ejaculation - OK, I consumed some sugar in the couple of cups of Tea that I drank through the day, big deal.

50g caapi (black) from peru in March so not old.
50g chacruna from peru in january so not old.

Almost no effect, I did start to come up but then it flat lined, felt a little bit dizzy and groggy. I got one or two inner surges but was almost completely sober with no 'spiritual' effect what so ever, no visuals at all with open or closed eyes.

Could have drove in my car to the local police station to have a cuppa and a chat with them and they would have been none the wiser.

In honesty, the effect was like having one vodka shot and 2 tokes on some nasty, damp homegrown weed. slight head effect, so I know I took something, but something very weak, maybe feels more like a sedative.

I tool it this evening, maybe 5 hours ago and actually still feel a bit groggy, which is pretty much all I have felt all night. Actually fell asleep for 30 minutes with no dream or at least no recall. Even drank the sediment to ensure I did not lose any of the active.

The only thing I never did was:

A) grind up the chacruna leaves
B) freeze them to break the cells
C) use a steel pot - updated, it was steel.

I feel quite deflated having spent so long hours lovingly tending to producing the product.

Would really appreciate if someone who knows about DMT and Aya could reply to this - am unable to post in the aya thread due to my lack of posts....

IMO you definitely need more caapi. For many people, with most vine 50g is a low dose and sometimes not even enough to really activate the admixture much if at all

Also, a good thing to do is brew up enough for several doses at once...that way, if you don't drink enough right off the bat you can always go back for another cup that same night

Hi mate, thanks for replying - I have 50g of chacruna left which is now in the freezer.

How much caapi should I do, 150g? it is black if that makes such a huge difference, and that is the main reason I only used 50g as I assumed it was the strongest.

I am seasoned with Salvia, LSD, Mushrooms so looking for power trip.

A friend told me 50g of black with no light put his mate on his ass; well, I want to be shot out my ass into space, not just for the "trip" but for the experience and all I am experiencing just now are the runs (thankfully no vomiting)

If something doesn't work, i definitely wouldn't just triple the dose personally. Maybe try around 100g first

I've had "black" caapi that was strong, and some that was very weak

And i'd welcome the vomiting if/when it comes, just for future reference. Resisting it also just prolongs the nausea

I am only thankful not to vomit because of the zero effect issue, if I was actually getting the effects ad the benefit of the plant then I would happily accept 'le purga' all night long with open arms; yet there is little use in just making yourself sick for none of the side effect. More than willing to sit in my own vomit and shit lol

To be honest, I could just extract the DMT and smoke it that way but I want to be true to the plant and the experience, not just trying to get the hit, hence no sex, dieting properly and even burning incense, doing meditation and listening to icaros.

I'll brew up the 200g I have left and take half at first, see how it goes.

I have noticed little black dots all over the pan, even though I only simmer - is that a bad thing?

Too weird to see others had to up the caapi dosage, i got very intense visual with 10g only. Maybe im too sensistive?

Btw could someone of you give me a link to good icaros healing song?

Can I ask your preparation steps mate?

these are my favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dq_N2iC7SE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXWnngIJA28

Thanks for the link

I used 10g B.Caapi(yellow vine) + 8g MHRB.

Brewed separately;

B.Caapi = using Herbal Percolator extraction
https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=3399

MHRB = boiling method
http://forums.ayahuasca....tes+mhrb+boiling#p216873

This method works to me

wow, I might sacrifice some of my caapi for this method now and just hope that a caapi only brew can produce some (without the light) of the effect I was hoping for! although it does not stick to the traditional way, sometimes traditions can be improved.

What a simple method; so you just pour in the caapi into the bottle, let it distill through and then reduce?

amazing! it just seems so simple, and fast! a 12 hour cooking session is a bit of a pain when you're not getting any of the pleasure!!!!!

yes, reduced it by boiling it on stainlessteel pot, boiled hard as well, so i can save much time ,

got 130ml left and ready for ceremony

for the moment i'll stick with this method.

if you're wait 30-50 minutes but still no visual or effect, try to close your eyes and visualize something or just daydreaming in a 2-3 minutes, if it not work or still no effect? lay down, close your eyes and relax, pretend to try to sleep. If you are in the right time then in any moments the visions will come to you.

may the force be with you!

If your getting strong affects from 10g you either are a freak of nature and/or have some incredibly potent and rare vine

Op, don't be afraid to boil the vine right above the threshold- there is no need to just simmer it.

hi mate, that's good to know because the reduction was taking me like 2-3 hours. thanks

Yeah just be careful not to burn it and you're all set. Even if you do burn it, it'll still work...It'll just taste worse and carmalize

mate, can I be as brutal with the chacruna reduction? also, will it vap if I leave it on the bunker over night or do i need to fridge it?

Both things i guess, but im more connected to the nature. I remember again my normal meditation practice, i usually need no more than 10 minutes to step inside of my imagination. So my mind ,kind of trained to detect even a smallest things in my visions space. So no doubt.

tl;dr:
SWIM drank 60g caapi brew, 30 minutes later ate 5g MHRB extract (from 12g MHRB). Nothing happened. His friend consumed the same. Nothing. Then 2 hours later ate 2g Syrian Rue and brewed another 12g MHRB and drank brew. Again nothing happened. Is wondering if the caapi and rue are bunk or if the MHRB is bunk. Caapi and rue came from reputable vendor he has used a long time and gotten quality products from. MHRB came from questionable source that he cannot verify if is legit or scammer (Avalon Magic Plants). Is inclined to believe it was the caapi and rue since he didn't feel anything from them and probably should of from that amount. Any suggestions/thoughts?

long version:
SWIM tried to enter hyperspace last night. He previously made 25g mimosa into pharma extract using 195 proof ethanol. He let it sit in jar for about a week then evaporated for clear, dark red crystals. He did a second run and that yielded less but still the same quality of crystals.

He had 120g yellow caapi which he boiled for about an hour and strained through t-shirt. He drank half the caapi, 60g, and waited for about 30 minutes. He started feeling what he though was the start of the caapi experience, and then took his extract in 00 size capsules (5g, or half the extract so 12g of mimosa worth). He waited, and waited, and waited. 2 hours later he was frustrated and not feeling a thing. So his friend drank the other half of the caapi and this time took the crystals out of the caps and toss and washed them. He didn't feel anything either. SWIM then brewed another 12g mimosa in water for about 30 minutes, took 2g syrian rue (normally would do 3g but already consumed the caapi and didn't want to overdo it), waited about 20 minutes then drank the nasty brew. Again, nothing happened.

SWIM wants to say so desperately that it was his caapi and rue that were bunk considering he ordered a whole kilo of this mimosa and would be really upset if it wasn't legit. After some thought he is starting to think it was the MAOI's. Shouldn't he have felt something after drinking 60g caapi followed by eating 2g peganum harmala? He didn't feel a thing.

Please put in your advice. Also, SWIM got his caapi and rue from a reputable supplier who he has been buying other herbals from for a long time and they have all been quality. He got his mimosa from Avalon Magic Plants which has delivered all three times he has ordered from them, but without doing a spice extraction of some kind has no way to know if it is legitimate mimosa containing spice.

Please give your thoughts on what you think went wrong. Also SWIM is having a hard time verifying that Avalon Magic Plants is legitimate. They have delivered everything he ordered and he's found plenty of threads about successfully receiving products ordered, but none about whether or not their mimosa is legit. He hasn't found any information calling them scammers though and they are sponsors of Shroomery and other forums.

Sorry to post my own thing in your thread OP, I just can't start my own thread yet so I thought I'd post my relevant experience in yours. If it bothers anyone or if it belongs somewhere else I assume the admins will move it/delete it. Thanks!

(my first post. I spend DAYS reading threads on here but very little posting since he or any friends haven't entered the cosmos so he had not much to contribute...until last night)

Personally, it took a number of attempts for me to before the effects went beyond subtle... now I use the same amount of material and achieve very strong effects. Its a weird thing, not sure if it has to do with your body's enzymes or if there is a more energetic basis for the initial resistance to effects. I would beware of upping the plants too much beyond recommended levels as you never know when they will choose to kick it up.