Hello forum!

Wow it's been awhile since I've been on here.

Well, lately I have really been off of my drug use. I've smoked marijuana once in 7 months, acid twice in 5 months, and drank once in over a year.

And to replace my drug use I've been getting deep into spirituality. When I used to surf DMT nexus I always viewed DMT as a spiritual substance, something to connect you to higher planes of existence. Well lately I've been practicing what is known as astral projecting, which is detaching your soul (astral body) from your physical body to roam the astral planes. This is done by many ways but I usually do it by going into deep deep meditation. I have not had 100% success but I feel as though I'm making progress.

Anyways, do you seasoned DMT users feel as though when you smoke DMT you have an out of body experience? Or do you feel like you're just tripping like shrooms or acid? Is DMT a spiritual experience for you?

Astral projection and DMT are different things IME. I have been projecting my whole life, longer than I have known that term. You can access tryptamine spaces without eating exogenous tryptamines IME..and go out of body but that is also not the same as a typical OBE for me. Two very different things.

I really dont know what else to say or how to explain this stuff to people..you just either know or your dont. For me this comes naturally and if I go just a week or two without lucid dreams, OBE's or visions at night etc I dont feel right. It is like being cut off from one of my senses or something.

Hmmm, I would consider OBE's with or without DMT spiritual experiences, since multiple levels of reality beyond the "physical" are being perceived.

One can have out-of-body experiences in many different states of consciousness, although, at least for me, "sober" OBE's seem to have a more "natural", controllable feel to them. My sense of time also seems closer to "consensus" reality. Anytime I breakthrough on DMT or Salvia, it's like I don't even feel the "separation" of my spirit/consciousness from my body- it's like WAM! I'm suddenly in a different dimension, as opposed to a "sober" OBE that seems to happen in the same time/space/dimension I started out in, if that makes any sense lol.

Once you have an OBE, you will know it. It's pretty intense, even without exogenous entheogens.

Psychedelics are the quickest and most reliable way to have out of body experiences IMO...But obviously its not an assured thing every time you trip. And as jamie said the experience itself is more often than not far different than when achieved through other means... I mean its a crude comparison, but imagine going outside and saying "I'm having an out-of-home experience!". That doesn't really tell us much about what our experiencing out there in the universe, just that the train has left the station

^^ An out of home experience... LOL

I agree with my esteemed colleagues above. Entheogens can certainly provide you with OOBEs, but they are not the same OOBEs as with AP... or Lucid Dreaming... or deep meditations for that matter.

As someone who regularly does all of the above, I can say there is some overlap. It is possible to be in a Lucid Dream and either smoalk DMT or just will yourself to Hyperspace for example.

For me, the two closest OOBE phenomena are AP and WILDing. It is often quite hard to distinguish between the two... and the methodology of achieving them is basically the same, with only one's intention at the exit being the deciding factor.

Similarly, the OOBEs and psychedelic effects I get from deep deep meditation can be more similar to tryptamine experiences than they are to AP and LD. Especially so the experience of Amrita and the accompanying high... which directly correlates to DMT for me. Though, to be honest, I get both AP and Dreamtime style experiences from meditation as well. In some ways, all of these phenomena involve meditation to some degree IMO.

OBEs are pretty easy to produce via deep meditation and "energy work" (for the lack of a better term). From my experience there are also several types of OBEs and as jamie mentioned the ones you experience on psychedelics are quite different from, say, "real-time" astral travel although the vibrations you feel are definitely the same (for me this especially applies to psilocybin). The thing about natural OBEs is that you are in full control as opposed to being a mere passenger on the psychedelic roller coaster IMO.

There's this book, "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce. I haven't read it thoroughly but a lot of the stuff I've read there reflect my own experiences with this phenomena perfectly. Maybe you should check it out if you haven't already.

DMT actually taught me how to astral project.
It at least gave me something to aim for.
LSD and mushrooms never awakened me to
the knowledge that we must have this
power within ourselves. I love both
of them but DMT is of another order.

Even doing subs, the chemical awoke something
in me. Something I had previously believed
to be a bunch of new age BS. It showed
me cymatics, it showed me one consciousness,
I saw it, felt it, heard it. I became one
with it.

My sub breakthroughs taught me to astral project.
Because it taught me to let go, that there is something
there and to not be afraid.

Now I astral project much more than I have ever taken DMT.
And as has been mentioned they are different.
I have seen semi-DMT visuals in that state but
what was most important was letting go and allowing
the experience to occur.

It is definitely nothing like a breakthrough.
That is why I like AP. A breakthrough for me
is just so frightening, so beautiful, so real.
It is COMPLETELY out of body as in you do not
even know you ever had a body because what you
saw and felt was so complete. You died... in outerspace
flying through dimensions you never knew were possible.
It all seems so huge and you are flying, for real, so fast,
it feels like the speed of light. No, AP I have done
has been anything close to DMT, it is amazing but
vastly different.

any tips on acheiving astral projection the closest ive got was paralizing myself but even so that was very hard and ive only acheived it twice and have no idea how i did it was also unpleasent

WILDing is something you will want to research. For me it usually happens of it's own accord....and for the past 2 decades I too felt that it had nothing to do with dmt. Now I feel different. The buzzing in my head seems to come from the center of me noggin', on both dmt and sleep paralysis induced OBE's....the buzzing has also been present, quiter though, during other psychic experiences that I've been having lately.

IDK if dmt is involved in OBE's....but the pineal seems like it has something to do with both.