Title says it all really?
Do you consider cannabis to be an entheogen, or just a recreational drug, like alcohol?

Personally, I put it in the second category. You can have some pretty crazy thoughts, but very little transfers over to your sober life the next day. I've had thoughts that I thought were the greatest thing ever, and then woken up the next morning only to realize that I've either 1) forgotten it or 2) it was a really stupid idea in the first place.

What about you guys?

Blessings
~ND

IMO its pretty much everything medicine,resource material,sacrament,psychadelic,stimulant,depressant the list goes on and on so pretty much might fit in with entheogens i personally rather regard it as a very usefull material it kind of reaches a stopping point as a substance?entheogen at a stage where it doesnt go any further then what its commonly known to do then its just something you do from there on forward to my own experience but to each his own

Yes, but i think i have only felt that it has become entheogenic since using it less frequently. I think when you have gaps in getting stoned the difference you notice in how your mind works can be beneficial in self exploration and analysis and can lead to positive transcendental results.
But if i smoke it all day every day everything goes to pot.

(EDIT: hug46: nicely written!)

This is an important and interesting question to be asked, especially among people who are mostly cannabis-friendly

IMO, the word "entheogenic" refers more to an intent+context (set+setting), than to a substance itself. I think that "entheogenic use" refers to a way a substance is used with an intent towards a goal.

Cannabis, I believe, can be used entheogenically. I am aware, however, that Cannabis has not been used this way in the West much

Yes.

Definitely. Some of my most important life realizations, and deep psychedelic experiences have been with cannabis

Although many who use (and abuse) cannabis don't even realize it

Its a lot of different things for a lot of different people. Many are just less sensitive to the psychedelic/revelatory effects it can have, and are also brought up in a way that they just expect/use it as if its something like alcohol to get "effed up on"


As bob marley said- when you smoke the herb it reveals you to yourself

like good ol Maynard from tool qouted:“I think psychedelics play a major part in what we do, but having said that, I feel that if somebody's going to experiment with those things they really need to educate themselves about them. People just taking the chemicals and diving in without having any kind of preparation about what they're about to experience tend to have no frame of reference, so they're missing everything flying by and all these new perspectives. It's just a waste. They reach a little bit of spiritual enlightenment, but they end up going, 'Well, now I need that drug to get back there again.' The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug.”

entheogen for sure

I agree. We habitually mis-use the tools at our disposal whether it be cannabis, alcohol, computers etc. I have been guilty of this. Where did we go wrong?

After smoking charas straight from the farmer for months and months i would def say its a entheogen...

Sure it wont make you trip balls but after you been sitting on a mountain and smoking for a couple of weeks it will start to add up and you will realise that you been trippin out for awhile

But strains def matter when it comes to this, indicas are for me just a drug whereas good sativas take me for a ride if i let em.

Some of the most intense visual hallucinogenic experiences I have had are from orally ingested cannabis, second only to salvia and DMT.



IH

I do believe with seldom use it can play that role. But on the other hand, it can be used as a physical medicine or abused all together. There is no denying its abuse among young people.

Personally I have never found weed to be anything other than a chill out device. frequent or infrequent use seems to make no difference to me other than how much I need to smoke to get stoned.



hello Ice House,

what kind of amounts were you eating to achieve this kind of state?

If people really want to explore the entheogenic states it can open up but haven't been able to get there yet, try taking at least a few weeks off from cannabis... then eat some...AND once it starts hitting smoke non stop in meditation.. You'll get there ^____^

Harmalas are great with it to

yes, it is for me.

Oh hell yes.

I am also curious as to how it was extracted to acheive this?

I usually have vivid visuals when I eat...mind you I'm not claiming anything "second only to spice and salvia", but rather vivid CEV and minor OEV. I'll cook up like a quarter an ounce in a small batch of cookies, extraction method here being lightly sautee`ing ground up weed in butter. maybe hald a gram per cookie, it'll take maybe 3 cookies before I'm drooling and happy and having visions.


Anyhoot, as others have said, I'd say that weed can be an entheogen. Intent, rare use, oral ingestion and sativa strains are all means by which I personally have had entheogenic experiences from weed--although I more often enjoy it in the more indulgent fashion.

Then again, today I was having a rough time at work. Smoked just to bring my stress down (indica, which I smoke all the time, blazed it up with no lofty intent just tryna chill)...and I started smiling. Work is fun if you let it be fun, man...don't make it happen, just groove with it. A minor revelation in itself, borderline entheogenic--yes, I accepted the lesson and had a great day. yay weed!

Agreed.

Some cubensis and a large oral dose of cannabis.

hello Dioxippus

whats your large dose of cannabis? how are the effects of the same dose without the shrooms?

cheers